The Fate of Account Thieves (Portgas&co)

[ramones]

We will need charter stone back for inside this center!!

[Tonkyhonk]

nice to see such a plan coming up, but before making it to work, i believe some of you need some medical checkups to make sure your allergy has already been cured and sound. otherwise, you are making a disaster center.

What is robery? Taking some shit and threw them in the river? I could kill the people, I didn't do this =) If they are not idiots, they understand this and learn. If not... well, russans are allergic to idiots.

[jorb]

Yup, by my reckoning H&H died on the day that infamous bugraid of Winterfell went unpunished.

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

You make it sound easy. It never was, and never will be. I don't like doing it, and every time I have done it there have been unforeseen consequences of a more or less dire nature. The prime directive exists for a reason, and I am extremely hesitant to break it. If the game is broken then fine, scrap whatever is broken, fix it and move on, but I am extremely reluctant to meet out punishments. Punishing people who 'slpoit rules that are in themselves broken feels very much like shooting the messenger.

Do you remember what happened the last time I intervened in the development of the world? We got the whole dzorby anal-friends discussion, and that discussion had some merit as much as I don't like to admit it. People like yourself would have an extreme advantage in that I would actually read and seriously consider stuff/sploits/bugraids/HVs you sent me, something that is not as certain with people who aren't oldtimers, people who don't express themselves well in writing &c&c. Whatever justice I do meet out would at the end of the day be an act of arbitration, which is extremely close to the word 'arbitrary'. Perhaps burgingham could recount a tale of what it feels like to be on the receiving end of (real or imagined) dev injustice?

Also, I make no secret of the fact that I presently consider the Siege mechanics unpoliceable. If I believed in the fundamental integrity of the game's mechanics I might be more inclined to punish the occasional transgression against that, but I don't.

That being said account theft certainly pushes the envelope. I was certainly tempted to start nuking things, and we did at least look into the matter somewhat.

Idk. I see where you're coming from but I'm just not convinced that dev intervention is any sort of a solution.

[xXGhostxX]

Jorb if you think stealing accounts is normal for a game, then I have to really evaluate my thoughts on developing and maintaining a community. That is, doesn't need any intervention.

[Kaios]

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You are my nigga, i love u, other dick riding statements, etc.

[jorb]

Jorb if you think stealing accounts is normal for a game, then I have to really evaluate my thoughts on developing and maintaining a community.

Account theft is obviously pretty common in most every online environment. In this particular case it seems to have been done through phishing, and there is a large part of me who feels that people who get phished have no one but themselves to blame. Feel free to note that we have tried as best as we have been able to restore lost accounts, and that we now, for example, log account changes (changing the e-mail, for example) to make that process easier in the future.

What do you think that punishing people accomplishes? (Not being sarcastic or snyde, but rather genuinely asking)

[jorb]

Who do I for that matter nuke? Portgas? The village he lived in? Everyone on his buddy list? Every account that has been logged into from what I believe to be his IP-address (potentially including stolen accounts)? Nearby villages and settlements? Russians in general?

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

[SoulOfJas]

Could atleast delete my old account, "noaah". They use my combat alt's daily which I personally find to be disgustingly, "over the top", as if stealing the accounts and killing them isn't enough.

[painhertz]

"there is a large part of me who feels that people who get phished have no one but themselves to blame"

There is a large part of you that is correct. Ignore these idiots and finish Salem so we can get some updates.

[teengames]

Ignore these idiots and finish Salem so we can get some updates.

please