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Postby kaizokuroof » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:02 am

Tonkyhonk wrote:
jordancoles wrote:Dis is also not full of horrible murderers. We are all people and we do have feelings. Not good, nor bad. Just a group of people looking to enjoy the game in whatever way appeals to us at the time.

like others dont have feelings while you guys do? lol

We honor our peace grid and trade centre.

and the supposed ideal leader calling it "peasfool", sure it can show people how you honor it :)


Where in that post did he claim others don't have feelings? Stop reading what you want to read Tonkyhonk, the spelling of "peasfool" is actually a play on to part of Skype conference we have setup for a quick response to those in the "Peasfool supergrid"... you wouldn't know this because you don't actively take part in this project, you only seem to bash our goal/motives and seem to keep thinking we have a hidden agenda. :roll:

Our goals/motives are clearly stated in this thread here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=26275

Tonkyhonk wrote:if you wanna play bad, stick with your role. dont expect people to bring up your real life personality when we are talking about gameplay. also dont expect to trick people with your sugar-coated bs propaganda.


Play "bad" That's subjective. You see it as bad, others would see it as fun. There is no role we are trying to fill, we're just out to enjoy the game like everyone else and are succeeding, I'm sorry if that makes you sad... and trick people? come on Tonkyhonk, I want what you're on. What trick are we/I trying to pull, please elaborate your radical extremist conspiracy theory to me.
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Postby burgingham » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:05 am

The word peasfool shows where you are coming from though.

You also certainly don't consider the feelings of anyone else. That makes everyone of you nothing more than an asshole. You can deny that all you want, doesn't make it any less true.


Your definition of bad and fun is ridiculous btw. Nobody can be that stupid.
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Postby kaizokuroof » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:54 am

burgingham wrote:The word peasfool shows where you are coming from though.

You also certainly don't consider the feelings of anyone else. That makes everyone of you nothing more than an asshole. You can deny that all you want, doesn't make it any less true.


Your definition of bad and fun is ridiculous btw. Nobody can be that stupid.


Oh nice, gotta have burgingham's 2 cents, or are you just repaying Tonkyhonk back for that little bit of Tonkybonk she sent your way? ;) But seriously this asshole comment coming from you, I can't stop laughing...
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Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:45 am

kaizokuroof wrote:Where in that post did he claim others don't have feelings? Stop reading what you want to read Tonkyhonk, the spelling of "peasfool" is actually a play on to part of Skype conference we have setup for a quick response to those in the "Peasfool supergrid"... you wouldn't know this because you don't actively take part in this project, you only seem to bash our goal/motives and seem to keep thinking we have a hidden agenda. :roll:

if your point is "people have feelings", then dont raid/kill others no matter where they live.
if your point is "we have fun" over other players feelings, then accept your reputation.
dont expect you could make it up by insisting how nice you are in real life or giving noobs a piece of farmville.

why would i need to know what went on in your skype conference? you thinking "peasfool" funny shows how you look at it anyways and no explanations needed there for me to make fun of you.
yes, im bashing you with your goal/motives, but lolwhut, a hidden agenda? are you even good at thinking of one?
dont worry, i think i know you havent really thought through what you guys are actually doing with your projects, thats where the entertainment gets nourished for me.

and roflmao for saying "subjective" when your own majesty insists on being "bad" herself. read back what she has been saying over and over since she was posting on urkerval account.
maybe you guys should talk a bit more on your own "agendas" not to emarrass your own group lol
you dont really realize what you are doing if you dont know what i meant by "trick" ;)
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Postby kaizokuroof » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:28 pm

Tonkyhonk wrote:
kaizokuroof wrote:Where in that post did he claim others don't have feelings? Stop reading what you want to read Tonkyhonk, the spelling of "peasfool" is actually a play on to part of Skype conference we have setup for a quick response to those in the "Peasfool supergrid"... you wouldn't know this because you don't actively take part in this project, you only seem to bash our goal/motives and seem to keep thinking we have a hidden agenda. :roll:

if your point is "people have feelings", then dont raid/kill others no matter where they live.
if your point is "we have fun" over other players feelings, then accept your reputation.
dont expect you could make it up by insisting how nice you are in real life or giving noobs a piece of farmville.

why would i need to know what went on in your skype conference? you thinking "peasfool" funny shows how you look at it anyways and no explanations needed there for me to make fun of you.
yes, im bashing you with your goal/motives, but lolwhut, a hidden agenda? are you even good at thinking of one?
dont worry, i think i know you havent really thought through what you guys are actually doing with your projects, thats where the entertainment gets nourished for me.

and roflmao for saying "subjective" when your own majesty insists on being "bad" herself. read back what she has been saying over and over since she was posting on urkerval account.
maybe you guys should talk a bit more on your own "agendas" not to emarrass your own group lol
you dont really realize what you are doing if you dont know what i meant by "trick" ;)


Where did I say I was nice? Actually where did I mention anything in regard to my personality, you are reading into other people posts again or pulling this out your ass.

kaizokuroof wrote:Play "bad" That's subjective. You see it as bad, others would see it as fun.


I never denied being "bad" (or confirmed it for that matter) I just pointed out that it's subjective and that peoples opinions differ. "Others" meaning other players, frankly though the opinion of everyone matters not and I think you're reading imaginary things again, must be a sign of old age kicking in. ;)

With regard to hidden agenda's I'm not sure, you tell me, you're the one thinking we have one, but lets not talk in circles :) I don't think "peasfool" is funny, as I said it's a term of endearment but let me repeat myself as Engilsh doesn't seem to be your first language. Are you dodging my question about "trick" purely because you don't know what you're talking about? Please humor me at least then and explain this so called "trick" is? What are we trying to "trick" people about?... The point I'm making is that you bash on the project/goals despite actually having no understanding as to what is happening. but it seems you "emarrass" yourself more than anyone in my group so please, continue this thread, I await your reply eagerly (and burginghams of course).
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Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:17 pm

kaizokuroof wrote:Where did I say I was nice? Actually where did I mention anything in regard to my personality, you are reading into other people posts again or pulling this out your ass.

it was a response to what jordancoles said where you took over instead ;) read what he was saying if you wanna know.

kaizokuroof wrote:I never denied being "bad" (or confirmed it for that matter) I just pointed out that it's subjective and that peoples opinions differ. "Others" meaning other players, frankly though the opinion of everyone matters not and I think you're reading imaginary things again, must be a sign of old age kicking in. ;)

lol what you have in common is that you repeat not only "no white knights" but also "other peoples opinions do not matter" line while you try to explain your actions or motives or whatsoever. your replies show you care.
btw, notice how you are derailing your supposed point? maybe your topic needs some "aging" a little bit?

With regard to hidden agenda's I'm not sure, you tell me, you're the one thinking we have one, but lets not talk in circles :) I don't think "peasfool" is funny, as I said it's a term of endearment but let me repeat myself as Engilsh doesn't seem to be your first language. Are you dodging my question about "trick" purely because you don't know what you're talking about? Please humor me at least then and explain this so called "trick" is? What are we trying to "trick" people about?... The point I'm making is that you bash on the project/goals despite actually having no understanding as to what is happening. but it seems you "emarrass" yourself more than anyone in my group so please, continue this thread, I await your reply eagerly (and burginghams of course).

endearment? lol sure, how nice to hear. i guess all of those in the grid see how honorable it is.
"embarrass", sorry for typo and i wont blame you for how you cant sit in our privy channel ;)
as for the "trick", read what Goo said in one of her latest posts about you doing "how the game is supposed to be played" and think about it. it is worth loling.
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Postby Mcporkins » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:11 pm

Tonkyhonk wrote:
LadyGoo wrote:Misspelling does not affect his personality or attitudes at all. Sad to see you lowering yourself to that level. Oh wait...

is it really a matter of misspelling? then it is really ironic, isnt it?
and how his "personality" got anything to do with this?

jordancoles wrote:We don't claim to be perfect by any means. The label of "white knight" means that we would actually need to care what people think. You fail to realize that other people raid/murder/steal on a daily basis in the game, you just don't hear about it. Most of the time the people that Dis kills are people who have committed those acts. How do you think Dis finds these people? I never said that others don't have feelings, I'm just saying that the big scary Dis is full of normal people. The faction gets elevated to a faceless image but when you actually look at the members individually there's no real difference. I don't know how to respond to the 2nd half of your post as it made no sense.

do i ever criticize raiders just because they are playing raiders?
then tell me why i dont attack some of Ainran verbally, nor oddi raiders?
if you wanna play bad, stick with your role. dont expect people to bring up your real life personality when we are talking about gameplay. also dont expect to trick people with your sugar-coated bs propaganda.


finally someone speaking without fear. good job tonky. you are epic in my book.
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Postby jordancoles » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:22 pm

In my post I clearly stated that Dis has no intentions of being good nor bad in this?
Don't read into my posts and then drag that over to Kaizo. We are not the same person. Goo may or may not have said some damning things in other posts as well, who gives a fuck. We're not all the same. I was just stating that all of us are just normal people trying to enjoy the game, we are all pretty reasonable and are willing to listen/compromise in most cases. Just talk to us like a normal person and we'll talk back the same way. I think it's pretty obvious that at this point in the game Dis/Ainran could destroy anything that we were to set our minds to. We're offering a peaceful grid AND a trade centre because we don't want to completely kill the game. It's part of our "entertainment". Again, it's what we find fun/interesting. If we played by your rules and standards of what you think is right and just, we wouldn't enjoy the game nearly as much and everyone would be skipping around on flower pedals. The point is to be able to do what you want, when you want.

Also, why would we ever take the time/bricks to make a trade centre if we planned on killing people with it? And why would we take the time to track perps in the peace grid and thefts from the centre for random people if we didn't honor our project? Last I checked Dis/Ainran has avenged every person so far who has been wronged in both locations and has killed no one within the areas.

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Postby _Gunnar » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:24 pm

Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. Because this is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed they are yours entirely; they will offer you their blood, property, life and children, as is said above, when the need is far distant; but when it approaches they turn against you. And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.

Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated, which will always be as long as he abstains from the property of his citizens and subjects and from their women. But when it is necessary for him to proceed against the life of someone, he must do it on proper justification and for manifest cause, but above all things he must keep his hands off the property of others, because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony. Besides, pretexts for taking away the property are never wanting; for he who has once begun to live by robbery will always find pretexts for seizing what belongs to others; but reasons for taking life, on the contrary, are more difficult to find and sooner lapse. But when a prince is with his army, and has under control a multitude of soldiers, then it is quite necessary for him to disregard the reputation of cruelty, for without it he would never hold his army united or disposed to its duties.

Among the wonderful deeds of Hannibal this one is enumerated: that having led an enormous army, composed of many various races of men, to fight in foreign lands, no dissensions arose either among them or against the prince, whether in his bad or in his good fortune. This arose from nothing else than his inhuman cruelty, which, with his boundless valour, made him revered and terrible in the sight of his soldiers, but without that cruelty, his other virtues were not sufficient to produce this effect. And shortsighted writers admire his deeds from one point of view and from another condemn the principal cause of them. That it is true his other virtues would not have been sufficient for him may be proved by the case of Scipio, that most excellent man, not of his own times but within the memory of man, against whom, nevertheless, his army rebelled in Spain; this arose from nothing but his too great forbearance, which gave his soldiers more licence than is consistent with military discipline. For this he was upbraided in the Senate by Fabius Maximus, and called the corrupter of the Roman soldiery. The Locrians were laid waste by a legate of Scipio, yet they were not avenged by him, nor was the insolence of the legate punished, owing entirely to his easy nature. Insomuch that someone in the Senate, wishing to excuse him, said there were many men who knew much better how not to err than to correct the errors of others. This disposition, if he had been continued in the command, would have destroyed in time the fame and glory of Scipio; but, he being under the control of the Senate, this injurious characteristic not only concealed itself, but contributed to his glory.

Returning to the question of being feared or loved, I come to the conclusion that, men loving according to their own will and fearing according to that of the prince, a wise prince should establish himself on that which is in his own control and not in that of others; he must endeavour only to avoid hatred, as is noted.


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Postby MagicManICT » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:51 pm

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Awesome. Pure win. :lol:
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