by Qant » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:03 pm painhertz wrote:...but apparently you/Dis/Goo etc etc etc still figure it's hurting you in some way so I'll reply to some extent.
Personally, I was not hurted in anyway by your OP and the whole incident. My reasons for posting there are to try understand your reasons, maybe explaining our point of view, and overall having calm discussion. If you don't want to continue it for whatever reason, then, sure, we can stop it.
painhertz wrote:I moved to the Peace Grid almost 3-4 months ago. Almost 2 months ago I ceased to play Haven & Hearth with the exception of logging on my main in my vault, putting curios in his mentory and logging out.
This being true, I didn't even NOTICE that someone had stolen my basher account and cleaned out this self same vault as they didn't take the shit curios I had stockpiled.
As no crime in this game has scents that last 2 months real time, Ravian is lying.
The last argument here is actually invalid, because there isn' direct logical connection between first and second part. You not leaving scents for last two months and existence of scents pointing to your place aren't exactly mutually exclusive facts. At least until various other options are also conclusively excluded. Also, there is always probability of you simply lying yourself instead of Ravian, as you can be attributed as much farfetched reasons to do so. Please note, that I do not state that you are necessarily lying there, and in fact I do not think so, but that your whole "I am right and he is lying" argument is pointless.
painhertz wrote:Bearing in mind the many things that you say the Peace Grid "isn't" then the end of my last post is correct, there IS no Peace Grid.
But there is. Except you made incorrect assumptions from the beginning about what it is. As I said in previous post, it was explained from the start what it is, and yet there are never-ending attempts by various people to substitute it with their own vision of what it should be.
painhertz wrote:You are leaving out the fact that Lady Goo and I exchanged about 50 PM's at the time I wrote this post so it's not like I didn't attempt negotiation with someone in Dis prior to writing this post, no, i didn't want to continue a flame war and/or hurt anyone, I merely wanted justice and I'm not going to get it, Cest' la vie.
I am briefly aware about those converations. And my impression of it is that you spoke quite radical in those as well, at least for your declared goal of negotiation. Though maybe I am not informed good enough about it.
You not going to receive the justice you wanted? Sure, it's true. Mostly because your idea of justice in this case is entirely unreasonable. You could very well ask us, for example, like 1000 cupboards of pearls as compensation and when being refused still claim that you didn't receive any "justice".
painhertz wrote:Let's not forget that during the 3 months prior to the destruction of Second Chapter, Dis/Ravian/Coles etc etc nobody bothered my town but "magically" when Shadowranger/Realak posted a screenshot of my coordinates here on the forums, suddenly Ravian "magically" find scents to my town? People aren't stupid, don't treat them as though they are.
Huh? Where was it stated that those scents were found at that exact moment? They were found some time earlier, and Ravian simply remembered that he tracked already to your place when they came here. Also, hypocrisy of last sentence in the quote made me smile
painhertz wrote:#1? ... I think it's safe to say that although I might not have had "Ally" status, I was on friendly terms with Dis.
... Stems from that incident with Ravian which was clearly explained to Goo. Prior to that incident not only did I not have any issue with Dis but fed info about Polan Horde/CK/other big faction through guys I knew in Ainran.
And this is where you are also wrong. At that point of time you was already seen as said dick person by quite few people in Dis. It wasn't strong emotion overall to extent of hate or wanting to hunt you, but you certainly wasn't viewed as friendly or even neutral person. Nonetheless, as I mentioned before, opinions about you tends to vary. That is why, on her own volition, LadyGoo had that talk with you. Even if you agreed at that time she still would had need to convince some of other members to agree with her proposal to you.
