Where we reveal all of Pandes dirty secrets...

[CinderHeart]

Well keep in mind different people have different policies on foreign relationships in this game, including transition between worlds. While this makes things more interesting, it also is fuel for conflicts, sometimes before the world starts. Also, some people like to do different roles across different worlds, some are constant. It's a wide range of possibilities. Of course, I wouldn't join someone that has an unpleasant history though.

Also if I recalled correct, Ainran was officially not part of Pandemonium, so I am not sure what's the big deal.

Well they weren't officially of Pandemonium true, but all I know about the big deal is that back in W3 (correct?) Ainran was supplied with Pandemonium's top-notch gear, though powerful things will be bought with powerful deeds. Pandemonium orders Ainran to assasinate some peoples, and I believe they hadn't done the task with the exception of TheStar. What makes the problem even more bigger is that Ainran massacred the people Pandemonium to the extent that they find the game not worth it anymore.


I am unbiased on what appears to be just on either side.

[ramones]

If I may add my 2 cents as partial Pandem leader besides burg...

I wouldn't agree completely, my point of view is w6 is another story. Pandemonium started to slowly fell appart in mid w5, while me&burg (with help of windforce, nya and some others) tried to keep up, which I think we did great job and lot of time invested, while many people took care of their own asses. Ainran guys brought refreshment and people got on their feet, sadly just for short while. After burg quit, it went down and down, I kept it at some level but for one person its impossible to handle such big town, so I gave up aswell, then it was at 0 point. What was left was few people doing their best, thats all.

This world we all know there is no Pandemonium. I've been talking with few guys and was told that Monkey will be leader of Odditownium? or however the combined village will be called. If leader is from Odditown, they are no better than Ainran for sure as for "beautifull playstyle", they just roll, kill and have fun (that were my impressions from w4+ begining of w5 before they quit). So backstabbing is a word that must not be used anywhere near the ainran on odditowners attack, even tho old pandem guys were killed. If you ask me, its their mistake to start with oddies in first place.

And that opinion (mine) goes out from me = from person that dislikes any pvp activity when I am involved, so don't start that I like someone attacking anyone.

As I told Valten when I was speaking with him, if I started this world as hermit or as new Pandemonium, and he with Ainran and he would attack me, I'd be pissed, bu only on myself - I'd understand his action and wouldn't be mad of him. But thats just me.

[Gotrek64]

Yet you killed people who were in Pande in w5 and supported you. Gotrek did a shitton of work there to supply people with farm stuff etc. You murder him despite knowing who he was. Why not assasinate the 2 people who insulted you and then get out? It would have proven your point much better and also proven you really do understand how to fight people and not only how to slaughter helpless sheep.

Don't forget btw that you only joined Ainran after I hired them. You were among those people never getting a kill. Also, all of this happened after everyone who once was Pande had quit and nobody was there to care about HnH anymore. It was basically a wasteland that had a battle of you vs NNN and naturally you got in some kills then. When I quit none of this had happened yet.

Lies I cared about Pande and I was there in the end. And it seems there is a rumon floating around that Ainran killed me at the end of W5 which is false.
The Fact
Ainran killed me in W6 they thought I was monkeytofu.
Mark Peacock apologized for killing me
I harbor no grudge against Mark Peacock or Ainran.
Sarchi did not order the kill or was involved in anyway according to Mark

So backstabbing is a word that must not be used anywhere near the ainran on odditowners attack, even tho old pandem guys were killed. If you ask me, its their mistake to start with oddies in first place.

My mistake to start with oddies? It was no mistake I joined because Andreas asked me then he left to create some raiding town. I'm not a fighter so that'd be the wrong place for me. It's not like I had any other "choices" oh let me go join AD who we fought with in W3 nope, oh lets go join some other small dinky village that can't protect itself, no.

From what we've been told, most of the odditown guys didn't want to be our allies anyways, and likely wanted to kill us. I do feel bad about gotrek, but what we attacked wasnt pande anymore, and i refuse to be allies with a town where half its leadership wants us dead.

And i know your decision to recruit ainran got me in with them. And it was likely the best thing that happened for me in hnh, for which i thank you.

half is kinda unfair statement was only oddity and monkeytofu

As for being in Oddimonium this world just because I live there does not mean I am them. I am first and fore-most a Sodom/Pande member and I am sticking by my ideals this world as I did in the last.

[andreascas]

Gotrek im sorry, but I just couldn't stay. I had a feeling we would get fucked, really fast and i got offerd a place to live so i just joined my friend and brought jynx along. But I hope you guys will surrive anyway. Would make me sad to have so many friends quit, so i hope many of you pande people, don't hate me too much for leaving you.

[burgingham]

Lies I cared about Pande and I was there in the end. And it seems there is a rumon floating around that Ainran killed me at the end of W5 which is false.

That is the same as I said though. That you were one of the driving forces behind Pande in the end.

I never said Sarchi ordered any kills either. I simply said he enable Ainran to raid and kill oyu in the first place. That is where my grudge lies. With Sarchi for backstabbing his own folks and with Ainran for doing basically the same and accepting this offer.

[Lahrmid]

so i hope many of you pande people, don't hate me too much for leaving you.

I for one couldn't be happier. (:

[Windforce]

Andreas.... my mining partne ;(

[bmjclark]

Well keep in mind different people have different policies on foreign relationships in this game, including transition between worlds. While this makes things more interesting, it also is fuel for conflicts, sometimes before the world starts. Also, some people like to do different roles across different worlds, some are constant. It's a wide range of possibilities. Of course, I wouldn't join someone that has an unpleasant history though.

Also if I recalled correct, Ainran was officially not part of Pandemonium, so I am not sure what's the big deal.

Well they weren't officially of Pandemonium true, but all I know about the big deal is that back in W3 (correct?) Ainran was supplied with Pandemonium's top-notch gear, though powerful things will be bought with powerful deeds. Pandemonium orders Ainran to assasinate some peoples, and I believe they hadn't done the task with the exception of TheStar. What makes the problem even more bigger is that Ainran massacred the people Pandemonium to the extent that they find the game not worth it anymore.


I am unbiased on what appears to be just on either side.

W5*. Ainran was asked to help pandemonium fight RUA, which they did. Though more of the deaths on RUA's side happened after burg quit, which apparently means they don't count. Ainran killed people from pande/odditown in world 6, which i don't even consider the town to be pandemonium anymore and nor does anyone. Which btw, we were supplied with gear, but we had to pay pearls for thanes and stuff from pande after burg quit. So i bought thanes and stuff on the forums instead, out of resentment >.> .

You really don't seem to know much of what happened

[burgingham]

CinderHeart obviously got the whole thread terribly wrong.

[andreascas]

lil I had to leave :/ joined painhertz and having a lot of fun around there.When W7 comes, I hope to mine with you. It was some awesome tunnels you made, sad we never got to empty all the nodes :/

But really pande people, I didn't do it to harm or anything. I didn't steal anything but jynx but have a good game and I won't be attacking you or anything, unless I get attacked ,then I will fight for my char life. Jynx probaly feels it the same way.