Are heartlings alright with Cartel activities?

[Jackard]

what

[cobaltjones]

how would you even not allow cartels

what

[burgingham]

Allow. (I loled at burg post)

How so? I said too what sab said: You cannot not allow cartels in the game. I was questioning the morality of them which is the only thing we can really discuss here imo.

Your post on the other thread is what is really the only thing to lol about. Whining about other traders having lowers prices as being disrespectful towards you. I am not kidding that is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on these boards.

[Jackard]

Your post on the other thread is what is really the only thing to lol about. Whining about other traders having lowers prices as being disrespectful towards you. I am not kidding that is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on these boards.

haha its like someone whining about undercuts on a WoW auction. what kind of person gets mad at that

[bogbrush]

well, i voted no, mainly because price fixing only benefits the traders that sit on good resources and who have friends that sit on good resources. basically treating the rest of the player base as foraging slaves. (although as part of true free-play, you cannot ban it anyway)

it is already apparent in H&H that prices find their own level anyway, prices level out basically according to rarity, if you have the best of something, you charge higher prices, if you have a lower quality, you charge a lower price.

Of course, as a trader myself, i like to make as much as possible, but if i was part of a cartel (i am behind the curve in w6, so wouldn't get an invite anyway )my conscience just wouldn't be happy. I like to be generous to new/lower players, give them more than they expected (if i like them), and of course keeping the very best for myself.
So i get 1 pearl where nine dragons get 3(for much higher Q), so what, it just takes me longer to get the things i want, but then i am in it for the long-game anyway, i wouldn't want everything on day one just to rule the world (which is what cartels seem to want)

(edit: is it possible that cartels are already voting on this thread? )

[_Gunnar]

I selected "other". I think that it should be allowed as part of the emergent gameplay, of course... doesn't mean I feel it is a good thing, but "acceptable" is defined by the people with the power to enforce their own views, sorry! And this is as it should be.

Tonky as far as I know many traders kindof politely ignored these requests as much as they felt they could get away with . I don't know if there were people who properly cooperated and were part of a cartel. I think the word cartel maybe implies a level of happy cooperation that is not there.

[Halagaz]

I don't really understand the OP question.
Are you talking about hard coded trading mechanism, that mean you have a kind of UI to trade at set price? Or are you talking about what is already in H&H, this mean no coded interface, everything goes under player control, its just a post on the forum with the recommended price? Because there is a huge difference between those, and both would have their advantages and disadvantages as the game is today. For example a trading interface could stop those retarded idol jump and keep trading, but then again i couldn't bother having to sell at the price some so called factions decide what is best because they would make a zillion accounts just so they have an upper hand in the vote or whatever mechanism would be there to decide the price.

[painhertz]

Looking at trade threads recently I realized that values of trade goods had pretty much stabilized whether you call the value "points" "coins" or whatever. It would be much harder to stabilize the value of produced goods with the large Quality differences.

[Tonkyhonk]

@bogbrush
thanks for your imput as a trader.
yes, i think they have already been voting. or at least one of them have.

@Gunnar
politely ignored? lol not agreed willingly as ramones put it?
so far, i see no forum "top" traders replying to my questions, which *may* mean they didnt willingly support that idea and/or cannot post their own opinions for some reason.

@Halagaz
its about what is happening in haven market right now.

@pain
guess why?

[_Gunnar]

@Gunnar
politely ignored? lol not agreed willingly as ramones put it?

why would anyone sensible decrease their profits willingly?

so far, i see no forum "top" traders replying to my questions, which *may* mean they didnt willingly support that idea and/or cannot post their own opinions for some reason.

yeah, and we have already discussed what that reason is. many peaceful, truly neutral traders don't want to risk making enemies, they just enjoy trading .

i'm guessing that some traders would agree to these requests since they are already in a military/resource-sharing alliance with ramones/ainran, but i cannot speak for them, since I have not talked to them about this.

Looking at trade threads recently I realized that values of trade goods had pretty much stabilized whether you call the value "points" "coins" or whatever. It would be much harder to stabilize the value of produced goods with the large Quality differences.

I think there are a couple of threads who probably agreed to match prices, but mostly its just natural economics - if it takes a certain time grinding/amount of resources to produce something, thats what its worth, no matter who is making it . If you can produce it cheaper due to an efficient setup, or say you actually enjoy smithing, then you can either lower the price and get more trades or just enjoy your extra profit margin .

Artificially keeping the price high is just stupid + boring, competitive aspect of trading is also pretty fun.

edit: further analysis: lets look at bogbrush's list of traders:

Nine Dragons
Ramones & Pet Semetary store
Winterfell trade thread
Socks and Pants trading
Halloween trade topic
Chris's Epic Thread (no posts since 18/2)
Swarls' store
FLAP-MART
Mr Miner Trade topic(no posts since 26/2)
Gold for Sale(by caseyface)(no posts since 19/2)
Pancakes PAwnshop
Bartertown
Bird's Trade topic (no posts since 23/2)
Chattel in your saddle trading
Adriano trade topic
DBLN trade thread
Lala's HQ Metal curio shop
MVPeh's trade thread (new)
Badich trade store HQ store
Goo Goo Shop

In red are Dis/Ainran alliance member's trading threads (that i know of). I don't see why its bad if they make their prices the same as each other, since they are really a very close alliance, so you could consider them all branches of the same company, in a sense . Its not good to try and control those outside the alliance though, who in general have a bit lower q and so could not effectively compete if prices were fixed.