~Ainran Has Fallen~

[rye130]

So why is it wrong? Quite simply your not playing the game. Whats the point of an MMO if a program is doing things for you? Its no longer you competing with another person. Its your program doing the work.

Quite simply, most the people who are running bots actively play the game more than the majority of the people playing this game. We are actively doing things, farming far quality, running industry, looking for nodes, finding targets to ram. We are still playing the game and competing with other people, its just a lot of the unnecessary tedium is removed.

The argument that because we can and the developers have done nothing to stop it is not valid. You can forge documents, have calculator do a math test for you, or use a device to evade the law but none of these things make it right. Just because a thing is possible does not make it right.

Is the game tedious with chores? Yes. But we are playing in time setting where it was mostly subsistence farming and hunting. The concept of mass production was not a staple of everyday thought. To expect modern outcomes in a game of this period is missing the point.

Except all the game mechanics favor botting. If the time period was one of subsistence farming and hunting and the devs cared about that, then the game mechanics shouldn't favor the mass production that they require now. Yes, it was ultimately the players fault for creating or demanding bots, but game mechanics that make them so powerful are what need to be changed to fix them.

It does however remove Human competition.

If the "Human competition" is carpal tunnel syndrome, then yes. There are plenty of competitions in this game other than who can drive themselves batshit crazy because of all the clicking required to do even the simplest of tasks.

[Amanda44]

I've deliberately kept out of this argument for the simple fact that neither side is going to change their opinion, for pages now you are all just going around in circles and in some cases have resorted to insulting each other.

I said earlier, pages back now, that I don't agree with botting for the same reasons as Anna, Tonky and LadyV but I fully understand why those that do bot do so. Like Gunner, I do think the foraging bot is slightly different as it does have more impact on other peoples game play but on the whole I think that botting takes away from the uniqueness of this game, spoils the point of play and naturaly gives an unfair advantage to those that use them.

However .....
That being said, those that do bot will disagree and continue to bot for whatever reasons, it's a pointless argument. I have nothing against players that bot, other than that I wish they wouldn't, it doesn't make me feel badly towards them or would prevent me trading with them, it's how they choose to play. I don't agree with going around raiding and murdering but I have friends in game who do, lol.

If you want to argue about it, shouldn't you really direct it at the devs for not doing more to prevent it rather than singling out certain people who do and making them a scapegoat? This whole 'debate' has centered around Em, her village and her villagers, even though the start of the thread was about Ainran - I found it painful to read tbh.

[ramones]

I wouldn't say that foraging bot is too much ahead of farming one or mining ones etc. Why? Yes you steal lots of curios from other players if you bot their terain 24/day. But if you "auto-farm", specially if you use timers so your crops go down as soon as they are up, then with certain crops you can gain good industry advantage, meaning you are ahead in qualities, you are ahead of many things that are brought together and you can dominate the whole market, not just the area that foraging bot bots. So probably bot is a bot, except if its "just" log cutter

[Lordtimo]

I wouldn't say that foraging bot is too much ahead of farming one or mining ones etc. Why? Yes you steal lots of curios from other players if you bot their terain 24/day. But if you "auto-farm", specially if you use timers so your crops go down as soon as they are up, then with certain crops you can gain good industry advantage, meaning you are ahead in qualities, you are ahead of many things that are brought together and you can dominate the whole market, not just the area that foraging bot bots. So probably bot is a bot, except if its "just" log cutter

Mostly you push q more if you sort seeds by hand, as most bots dont use chests and just take highest seed from inv, not from whole field.

[rye130]

most bots

[LadyV]

@rye130

Your missing my point. I don't care if you choose to bot. Ill agree many of those that do work more than most people. They are bright and creative. I have played with people who use bots and i would play with them again. We each choose our paths in the game.

The tedium you refer to is there as a game balance. Your not supposed to have super characters that do things fast or churn out huge amounts of food to feed people into supreme workers, warriors... When you bot you you subvert that system and only reap the rewards.

The game mechanics are what they are. If you don't like it petition the developers, don't adapt your own rules to solve your problem. All the repetitive things in game could cause carpal tunnel as you mentioned but no one is forcing you to sit there and do it all at once.

It's all a matter of view point. Choose your path as you will. I simply disagree with their use.

[Lordtimo]

Well i never heard of any bot, harvesting carrots putting them in chests / cb's and taking best q ones outside and plants it, once he harvested all.

[Thijssnl]

Well i never heard of any bot, harvesting carrots putting them in chests / cb's and taking best q ones outside and plants it, once he harvested all.

And since you never heard of something it therefore cannot exist. That's pure genius

[Lordtimo]

Didnt said that its not existing, but if it does only major factions with good scripters would have it i assume, and as i already told you can push q by hands faster than with common farming bots, and harvesting a 16 title field on Cooldown with 2 ppl maybe even in different time zones isnt really hard.

What im trying to say is that i dont think farming bot isnt giving you an unfair advantage like foraging bots do, you can do the farming by hand just as effective as the bot does.

[ramones]

Well i never heard of any bot, harvesting carrots putting them in chests / cb's and taking best q ones outside and plants it, once he harvested all.

PMed with screenshot from a buddy