New Brodgar (Not to be confused with the other Village)

[Tonkyhonk]

shit

seems like old brodgarians dont have any respects. shame. i wonder who is the real clown here.

[ghrodwelaan]

U? Not understanding that he pick our name and refused to name elseway? And it's Im the one who don't have respect? And stop judging from one person about everyone what kind of idiot u are and why u have so idiotic avatar??

[Tonkyhonk]

U? Not understanding that he pick our name and refused to name elseway? And it's Im the one who don't have respect? And stop judging from one person about everyone what kind of idiot u are and why u have so idiotic avatar??

one person's horrible reaction reflects what the whole group he/she belongs to is often talking in their chat, especially when they dont try to stop you.
the more you speak, the more it shows.

p.s.
yolan was never a good village leader as far as i remember in w3, but he is a good opinion leader with ideals. often too idealistic and naive, but still shines.

[borka]

oh come on people - there's space for a lot of Brodgars, old and new and newer - and stop bashing about language usage please

Sure it's a bit unlucky with the name when there's already another one - but to be honest if anyone has "rights" to that name it's Yolan. Everyone who reads at forums knows what Demo has build and also what Robben has done so far.

The more i think about it i'd recommend to rename the second new "New Brodgar" to "Open Brodgar" - that way it honors those that went from "old" New Brodgar to Demo's "New Brodgar", the work they put in it and also honors the idea and ideals of Yolan.

[b3nno]

IM gonna say in a little disappointed in my village mates , borka is right we should embrace these guys , not hold grudges about the name, which lets be honest , its not exactly copyrighted , inn of brodgar, numerous rings of brodgar , ours being the third village of the same name .

just a bit ashamed is all , and yolan might have been a niave and idealistic , but its a nice change in this game .

[DemoGraFX]

I will say that not every villager speaks for everybody and even though the names create confusion it isn't anything to lose sleep over. And yes, every time somebody talks of "New Brodgar" in skype chat - "New Brodgar" being what we referred to this place as when we were transitioning - it leads to a 5 minute Barbara Walters style interview about which one they are actually talking about. Obviously that would annoy nearly anybody, but it isn't enough to cause a significant issue. It also doesn't mean that we would bring any ill-will on new characters or an open city, after all that is what we came from ourselves. I will tell you that most of us have been down to the new place and, as far as I know, none of us have caused any problems. I know I haven't, nor the villagers I spawned with at least, and ghrodwelaan wasn't even online near the time when that happened.

Most importantly is the "come on, really?" speech from both sides. And nobody from Brodgar wants to just seem like an asshole, and I know that Brodgar has been a long-standing community project. The village of Brodgar was Yolan's. The idol was destroyed and Snackish got fed up, Yolan was busy. Snackish had a handful of people whom he could have given the keys to and he chose to give them to me, mainly from lack of decent options otherwise. I immediately rebuilt the idol and when Yolan didn't log in to take LS of it I did before a raider busted back in and took the village idol for themselves. I offered to switch it over and Yolan declined because of his play time and RL issues.

Obviously everybody knows where it went from there, and I never jerked the community around, I had fully intended to secure an area for the oldest residents and then move on to an area as a public spawn. An area open just like this new project is. An area where new players could come and stay awhile and decide whether they wanted to invest themselves enough in the village to take an internal plot or move on to other things, other places or whatever else.

I would like to know where this person was when I was trying to build this myself though. Instead of the eventual route that was taken, had I gotten a PM in these forums about them wanting to physically pitch in and get the place and public spawns open then it would have been opened. I received a few PMs asking what people could do to help early on, but I had to be very careful about who had access to the location early on and I told them that. Security was first, then working on the public stuff. The last thing we needed was for raiders to come destroy progress before we were fortified. Once I got the walls finished I never heard anything else about it. 2 people from outside of this village actually helped with creating it, and to them I have the utmost appreciation and they know who they are.

After building roughly 70,000 bricks worth of walls for this place and dedicating all of my game time to the city instead of actually playing it myself, I was a little burned out. At the time when robben decided to post the thread a PM would have been nice, and my skype info has been posted in the forums repeatedly. Had I been contacted about it I would have gotten that fire under my ass again and we could have had a rather large group of players to put it together here as a team, instead of what seems like a solo fuck-you project. The initial post and especially his follow-ups even seemed like a jab at us more than an invitation to a new open Brodgar. These are the reasons why our village seems a little jaded.

I heard emerald say that this person had thought about doing this for a while, how about this person shooting Demo a PM a while ago then? Maybe a "hey guy, I'm ready to spawn and help you get that place opened up to the public, want some help?" There is a larger island next to us where we are now. Nearly identical to the larger island that the new place was created upon and the place we originally planned to create a public spawn and open city. UNLESS this person didn't WANT to send me a PM about it, considering that at one point (possibly) one of the members (not going to mention any names) had characters up here and was in our core and dev channels and just couldn't stop being a complete asshole to all of our other members so he had to be removed. Not saying that these are related, but it's not impossible. And I absolutely adore members of Emerald's City and am not even sure that the person who was up here with us really does live with them as he said. This person also had at least one of the few developed characters at the new place though, as he named it practically the same as another of his characters.

Either way, we aren't causing bullshit and we're not going to cause anything bad to happen to this new village. Nor are we going to be the victims of blame with everything that happens down there either. Simply because there are some logical reasons why we are disappointed doesn't mean that we're going to be assholes about anything. Just because our opinions differ on the way things should have happened along the way doesn't mean that we're going to come around swinging our dicks.

[Tonkyhonk]

@DemoGraFX
glad to hear that you as a group dont mean to try to put a stop to this project, demo.
as i hardly know Robben other than him as a dedicated role-player from his forum posts in the past iirc, and i dont trust emerald like others do, i have no idea of the credibility of this new town at all. still, it is nice to hear that someone continues the attempt lots of players have tried and wished working previously, and admire the decision and efforts required, just as when i read you said you would work on it after yolan quit, no matter who you are. i still have a slight hope that maybe a really willing leader may be able to accomplish this thing.
(i think i understand what you have/had gone thru from my own experience and what vigi told me in w6, though i have never nor would accept bots.)

if Robben and his mates hadnt interacted with you regarding this at all before starting this, it must be really frustrating to your side. but since old brodgar was, "anyone welcome, free to come, free to go" style, i could imagine they might not have expected your methods and were shocked at the changes you had made. it is understandable you took it rather offending too.

now that you have an opportunity to have a talk, i just hope that you both groups can start friendly approaches and may be able to decide to cooperate or not after this drama.

[Eemerald]

I heard emerald say that this person had thought about doing this for a while, how about this person shooting Demo a PM a while ago then? Maybe a "hey guy, I'm ready to spawn and help you get that place opened up to the public, want some help?" There is a larger island next to us where we are now. Nearly identical to the larger island that the new place was created upon and the place we originally planned to create a public spawn and open city. UNLESS this person didn't WANT to send me a PM about it, considering that at one point (possibly) one of the members (not going to mention any names) had characters up here and was in our core and dev channels and just couldn't stop being a complete asshole to all of our other members so he had to be removed. Not saying that these are related, but it's not impossible. And I absolutely adore members of Emerald's City and am not even sure that the person who was up here with us really does live with them as he said. This person also had at least one of the few developed characters at the new place though, as he named it practically the same as another of his characters.

Thanks for the message, but to clear a few points here.
1st- Robben had a lot on IRL due to studies and it was one of the reasons he had to quit and has only now returned, so he may well have just not known, or had time to check what was up with brodgar at the time. Personally, I don't read everything on the forums, I assumed that brodgar didn't exist until now. Which is why when he suggested restarting an open city i thought it was a good idea. so honestly, it maybe just not having read the right info or got hold of the right info.

2nd- only person who was a member of EC and brodgar was Snackish who was chieftan and he spent a hell of a lot more time with you guys, which is fine, because he is a great guy, and we loved having him in EC. I remember myself when i started EC how great a feeling it was to start something and build it up with others, and I'm glad he got to do that. As for anyone else, I'd have no clue and I'd guess they're lying as to which town they're actually from, none of my villagers are general douchebags, not inside EC or outside EC. But if you give me a name i can clarify that for you.

I do think what u've developed is different now to what robben is doing. If your town is secure and u're not allowing just anyone in, (which is wise) then it's not how he is doing this new brodgar.

As for name, why not try a different name if no idol for new brodgar has been built?
I can understand the name issue would be a pain.

[borka]

There is an idol up already at Robbens New Brodgar - but i guess it won't be that hard to destroy it and build a new one with a new name - sure causes a bit inconviniences for some days but in current state it should be doable...

[ghrodwelaan]

yep we can even deliver materials for new one