~Ainran Has Fallen~

[rye130]

the line

although you cant draw the line between dumb and smart as well it doesnt stop me from noticing how dumb your arguments are

Trolls OP.

[jordancoles]

the line

although you cant draw the line between dumb and smart as well it doesnt stop me from noticing how dumb your arguments are

MOldAr aruguments 2013:

well 1 ad counts as 3 ainran or 6 dis thats why they call us zergs

nice DDOS guys 2bad it wont help u protect ur soil node

ranger bows must be fokn nerfed

2 bad you're a known liar and anything you say worth nothing

well you all are 100 uac alts cause you don't know the crafting part of this game properly and will probably quit soon
but it still was fun watching this cutie choosing between trying to escape and trying to drown
and then failing both

[MOldAr]

nice to know someone likes what im writing i take it as i should post more often

[Tonkyhonk]

well, we had already discussed about custom clients enough and not sure if we should repeat that again.
the bottom line is that devs cannot update the official client as they think they should, and allow us to use custom clients. (not approved either though)
Do remember, devs invited EnderWiggin to the salemalpha group and hes been making a custom client for players since closed-beta days.
also, it is not that devs find custom clients evil or anything that they arent willing to use any of the existing custom clients as their official one, but it is because, well, refer to the following.
(the talk below is on salem client, May 2012, but basically the same applies for haven.)

11:32 loftar > It's OK for a custom client, I guess, but for me it would just be a hack.
11:33 sabinati > what do you mean? that he accomplishes it in an ugly manner?
11:33 Tonky > some contents include from other sources or using bootleg version of something
11:33 loftar > If I were to do anything like that, I would more likely want to send a radar resource on the wire.
11:33 Tonky > oh? different thing?
11:33 sabinati > huh?
11:33 loftar > It would be ugly for me to just match resource names in the client.
11:33 loftar > The client shouldn't have knowledge of such things.
11:34 sabinati > but it does
11:34 loftar > Yeah, but it shouldn't be relying on internal knowledge of the resource names.
11:34 loftar > Resource names should be opaque to it.
11:34 Tonky > is it about your aesthetics?
11:35 loftar > No, it's about code organization and maintainability.
11:35 sabinati > wouldn't it cost additional network resources to send separate information over the wire, though
11:35 Tonky > oh
11:35 loftar > Only so little that I wouldn't have to care about it.
11:35 banok > totally over my head sirs
11:36 sabinati > well just do that then!
11:36 loftar > But I still don't want to.

(ignore my stupid comment! )

that being said, my problem with botters is, as ive been saying over and over, the player-to-player interactions.
the custom client usage is not of my concern atm and im not interested in repeating the same discussion again.

and that you play a character too as well as 7 more bots running at the same time, does not make it legit to say "player interaction still exists" for others, only legit for yourself. it means i will meet your bots at higher rate for sure than your own char, even if that would be luckier for me when i think of your play-style. or you might surround a whole area with walls for your bots to run freely without disturbances, and those walls will be built up over night using bots, with all the materials gathered by bots, which is much faster than players work and no match. there is no competitions. so this would make me not meet your bots and it should be alright? ofc not.

anyways, what im trying to say here is the game is supposed to be MMO, Massively Multiplayer Online, and not MBO, Massivelly Botter Online.
and, many decent players avoid games that have too many botters because it will not be fun for them, but botters.

(btw, i think i kinda understand the fun of running your own codes. when i was super-bored a while ago, i actually did make a shitty kid-level program launching countless virtual missiles to nk myself in java! had to debug it to stop! huehuehue. but then it only leads me to wonder why you dont do it on your own instead of borrowing the server for players and not for bots!?)

[Xcom]

(btw, i think i kinda understand the fun of running your own codes. when i was super-bored a while ago, i actually did make a shitty kid-level program launching countless virtual missiles to nk myself in java! had to debug it to stop! huehuehue. but then it only leads me to wonder why you dont do it on your own instead of borrowing the server for players and not for bots!?)

Prior to haven I had 0 skills in programming. This game inspired me to teach myself coding so its a big deal for me to keep on scripting. Outside of haven I honestly have as much experience coding as a clueless monkey behind a panel of buttons. I would make a game on my own but I neither have the time or experience. Thats the main reason I love scripting in haven cause it both lets me learn more and is a fun pastime hobby on the side of my studies.

Maybe someday I might end up doing something on my own but not anytime soon. I know how clueless I am about actual functional java code so if I was forced to stop scripting in haven it would literally kill any way for me to learn coding as a hobby. I would either need to get a proper education in learning java the proper way in uni or just shelf the whole programming thing and go back to what I am currently studying, civil engineering which have nothing to do with coding unfortunately.

I dono if anyone else is in the same boat as I am but if loftar would force me to stop scripting by banning botters it would be a really hard blow for me.

[Tonkyhonk]

all who learned programming to some extent afaik say that you need no "proper" education for it, unless you need a degree for a job.
(and my java knowledge is like a kindergarten lvl, but ive seen so much info and guides and everything available on internet enough to continue on if i want to. im still computer illiterate. my major was language education, my generation in my country is mostly allergic to computers. it has nothing to do with what you do. a hobby is a hobby.)

as long as you stop advertising and encouraging and justifying botting, i personally have no issues with you having fun scripting on your own, suppose not giving too much impacts to others. cant speak for others, just saying.

[Thijssnl]

It's been 33 pages, people might have gotten your message by now. I feel it would be better if you made a new topic for people to all discuss it with you rather than bringing up the exact same thing every few posts.

[Tonkyhonk]

just put me on your foe already and go back to hall of shitposting, Thijssnl. you add nothing to the talk anyways.

[Thijssnl]

I have done so already. I know I dont add to this talk, its because I'd rather stop the same argument from being posted over and over to whoever falls in the trap of starting a discussion with you as my previous post explained.
You want people to stop advertising and encouraging it, great, thats your opinion. Put it in your sig or something, we've heard it. Maybe take it to PM with those who want to see the same thing recycled on a daily basis?

[Tonkyhonk]

I have done so already.

lmao, and you decided to undo it to read what i said? fail...