Geography of Interest | World 7

[_Gunnar]

Its quite easy to say that people should band together but very hard to make it actually work. I guess I'd be more enthusiastic if you were actually involved in doing that instead of just vaguely encouraging it.

to people saying that village leaders should be consulted before having their town put on the map: I like the idea of knowing where major towns are, every random hermitage not so much. i don't see why the leader of York or LO or whatever needs to be consulted for Vaku to put them on his map.

[mvgulik]

I'd like to believe that raiders are not the only resourceful demographic that plays this game. I'm certainly hopeful that this perception of the playerbase has the capacity to change during the length of World 7.

Personally I don't think that having single user maintained village-claims are that interesting. Unless there some satellite claim (with a special purpose) of some major group of course. (but I'm not making the list)
(Nevermind those that try to keep things the way they are. There just afraid of potential changes.)

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Suggest your data is also put up as some data list (Table, DataBase)(data-file, spreadsheet, etc). For easy code processing of the data of course.

You're going to have to explain to me more of what you'd like to see in that respect. I only use spreadsheets as a hobby, so my experience there is limited.

Most easy is a text file that contains the data, formatted in something similar like CSV. Or basically: one line(row) per data set(record) with the fields(cells/column) separated by some delimiter character(s) ("|" in the example) that is not used inside the field data.

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<Village-1 name>|<coord-x>|<coord-y>|<other information>|...etc
<Village-2 name>|<coord-x>|<coord-y>|<other information>|...etc


If you have your data in a nice table form inside your spreadsheet, you probably could already export that data directly to a text file in a number of optional formats. But I suggest experimenting a bit with it first if your not familiar with it (might give you some additional ideas while learning new stuff.).

[Tonkyhonk]

let me clear up one thing.
politics is entertaining, but its not something you force others into. people go for it when they feel the need of it.
and even if you dont realize, its going around without you trying to force them in your way. its not always too flamboyant, though.

btw, people who know a lot dont talk about it too loud unless necessary, thus the info come to them

[Vaku]

people who know a lot dont talk about it too loud unless necessary, thus the info come to them

That's simply not true. The only way you'll be in the know is if you're in the position to know. Silence has nothing to do with information being divulged to you. Politics is not about keeping secrets, that's not what I'm after, secrets are just an element required in getting the upper-hand and frankly, village locations with names are not that secretive.

Politics is about the maintenance of a population. It is about engaging in discourse and in coming to and achieving greater opportunities.

You can feel like I'm forcing you, that's fine. It's just a reminder that you're already playing this game. You became a member of the political commotion the moment you decided to stick with the game.

I'd be more enthusiastic if you were actually involved in doing that instead of just vaguely encouraging it.

The moment an established group takes me onto their team, I'd be willing to explain strategies towards completing goals to support a greater infrastructure in addition to actually taking the steps with them towards achieving their infrastructure and military goals. I do not have the time currently to be THE leader of a group, really just the time to be an advisory who can help in-game.

[Amanda44]

Vaku,

Clearly your motivation is for the 'good of all', however, it's not very realistic and as Tonky rightly points out, neither should it be forced. The population is made up of different player types, not all of these want to band together for the common goal and nor should they be forced to. Freedom to choose your playing style and the freedom this game gives in general is one of the major attractions of haven. Your choice to play a secluded peaceful hermit or to be part of a large faction or any other role imbetween, is and should be your choice.

I am not afraid of change but neither have I a desire to change hnh into some form of peaceful commune, neither do I believe it is possible. The same could be said of rl, if a nationwide selection of intelligent, civilized and forward thinking adults can not engineer a safe and peaceful world what makes you think you can achieve it here and tbh, why would you want to when in doing so you are completely altering the game?!

Regardless, this is not rl, it is a game, people come here to escape rl and all enjoy different aspects of the game. I am a peaceful hermit, I don't want to be raided but in the same breath, I like the element of fear and danger that haven holds, the knowledge that some raider may stumble upon my base (not find it in a ready made list without even having to scour the map or travel the lands) or I may stumble upon them whilst out and about, if I didn't I wouldn't play a pvp permadeath game. Also, I am a hermit for a reason, I like my isolation. That's not to say I don't interact, I do but it's my choice who with and how much.

By all means continue to try and force people into a rl structured governmental environment, just please leave me out of it is all i'm asking. I am quite capable of making up my own mind on how I choose to play and who I befriend and interact with, and that dosn't include being listed and documented! I don't want to play haven 'your' way, i'm sorry, I want to play my way!

[Eemerald]

Although i can understand ppl keeping low profiles, which we tend to do, through a no scents policy, i dont think its ultimately realistic to expect no one will know your coords unless ure a very small town.

Most info ppl will find out about towns of interest. Theres little to often hide, which is why i alwaya found it amusing when spies would be sent into our town, and they come out with innacurate info, where if they simply asked, the answers would have been provided.

Anyhow, it might be a better option to ask smaller towns if they want to be added to such a list.

[Eemerald]

Sorry, shitty net abroad

[rawr548]

i see that post x2 O_O

and if someone is added to the list and wants to be kept secret they already weren't much of a secret so i don't see a problem.

[Thijssnl]

i see that post x2 O_O

and if someone is added to the list and wants to be kept secret they already weren't much of a secret so i don't see a problem.

Eemerald seems to have lag when submitting posts now and then, I've seen it before from her (np though Eemerald! ;D)

[Tonkyhonk]

That's simply not true. The only way you'll be in the know is if you're in the position to know. Silence has nothing to do with information being divulged to you. Politics is not about keeping secrets, that's not what I'm after, secrets are just an element required in getting the upper-hand and frankly, village locations with names are not that secretive.

Politics is about the maintenance of a population. It is about engaging in discourse and in coming to and achieving greater opportunities.

even kids know that mere silence ofc wouldnt work, its just one of the keys to certain info and it has a lot to do with it being divulged to "some" people. (gosh, didnt think i needed to explain that!)
politics is more about deciding "when, where, and how"(or Time, Place, and Opportunity is what we call) to be silent or to be loud, depending on the situation, while building up your reputation, checking out others. but hey, im probably too asian to see what you believe politics should be like.
still, i dont even see you chatting in IRC or global, and youre telling me you are after discourse and greater opportunities?

You can feel like I'm forcing you, that's fine. It's just a reminder that you're already playing this game. You became a member of the political commotion the moment you decided to stick with the game.

excuse me, but you play your game, i play mine. you can NEVER force me to play your game.
usa, russia, and china respectively may be a member of the political commotion of the real world, but they dont play the same game as you should be well aware.
you sounded like you wanted to force others to play along the way you want and i wanted to point out it wouldnt work that way. - at least not with your current profile. i honestly cba to bother with your village list of every single nobody, because, well, id have better luck asking around or searching on the forums, but when some people give objections, you need to hear it, not to bash it and force them to accept it. that is another key to talk politics lol

oh btw, this is a reminder that you are now in my list of the half-baked brains.