USA wins again

[FearTheAmish]

america the not so free

Find me a land that's free'er

Just don't include anywhere with a Non-capitalist
economy or a lack of Democracy

BECAUSE FREEDOM RUNS ON DEMOCRACY

Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Denmark, UK, Ireland, Scotland, Taiwan, South Korea, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, maybe Italy, maybe some eastern European countries like Poland, definitely Czech and Slowakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand...

I hate to blow some holes in your theory here... But... Germany and Australia both limit games you can buy and how they are presented. France/sweden are both going through riots currently over culture clashes. Taiwan/South Korea only exist because a US fleet parks in the area and our troops on the 48th parallel. Sweden also has some goofy stuff about sex going on lately and as a guy you are guilty until proven innocent. NZ has a list of names you can't name your child. But as far as the others go i am pretty sure they are very similar to USA, Also i am not a raging Murican. But i have traveled extensively and can say i don't think i could live anywhere else (besides Ireland).

Also i find that Coffins of US soldiers to be really offensive =\ they died fighting for what they believed in and shouldn't be used to make a silly point.

[Jackard]

duly noted, forums poster FearTheAmish

[jorb]

they died fighting military-industrial complex banana wars for bankster-occupied government, corporate profit and globalist empire

FTFY.

[MagicManICT]

Well, they did die for what they believed in (or at least what they think they believed in). Can't help that they weren't told the facts. Well, maybe we can help that, but once you enlist, you're basically a slave to the military, so even if you went in completely ignorant of everything and woke up to the real facts afterwards, you can't do much other than go and die unless you want to go AWOL and potentially spend 5 years in prison and completely ruin your life.

[jorb]

Don't get me wrong. Soldiers are cool. Corporatist fat cats less so.

[painhertz]

Don't get me wrong. Soldiers are cool. Corporatist fat cats less so.

^^^^^^

[Ninijutsu]

USA strikes again!

Using their own bears against them!

[burgingham]

Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Denmark, UK, Ireland, Scotland, Taiwan, South Korea, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, maybe Italy, maybe some eastern European countries like Poland, definitely Czech and Slowakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand...

I hate to blow some holes in your theory here... But... Germany and Australia both limit games you can buy and how they are presented. France/sweden are both going through riots currently over culture clashes. Taiwan/South Korea only exist because a US fleet parks in the area and our troops on the 48th parallel. Sweden also has some goofy stuff about sex going on lately and as a guy you are guilty until proven innocent. NZ has a list of names you can't name your child. But as far as the others go i am pretty sure they are very similar to USA, Also i am not a raging Murican. But i have traveled extensively and can say i don't think i could live anywhere else (besides Ireland).

Also i find that Coffins of US soldiers to be really offensive =\ they died fighting for what they believed in and shouldn't be used to make a silly point.

1) Yeah let's define freedom over what video games I can buy. There is an argument to be made here that a certain form of censorship to protect children etc can actually help (I am not one making this argument, but I don't think it limits my freedom that the bloodshed is cut down in certain games I want to buy).

2) The "riots" are an expression of democratic will. Not a legitimate one anymore when they became violent, but they started out as normal and legitimate protests. So this actually proves that the will to influence democracy is a lot higher in Europe than it is in the US. Especially France is a shining example of involved citizens.

3)What does the US fleet have to do with anything that is defining their democratic proccess? It is very nice of the US to park there, but that is something that secures the existance of those countries, not their degree of freedom developed within the society. I never wanted to define freedom as an absence of war, but as a state the society has come to appreciate and values.

Also what Jorb says. Btw how does anyone know they died what they believe in? They are forced to do their job or they are facing tremendous troubles. Most are recruited to the Army because of the fucked up situation they are stuck in beforehand. So some job is better than none. Freedom, fuck yeah.

This is a real issue that limits freedom when the social system is so piss poor that I am forced to accept a risk of dying for a country that didn't even help me when I had no job. Here I can chose freely wether I go to the Army or not.

[FearTheAmish]

Don't get me wrong. Soldiers are cool. Corporatist fat cats less so.

I understand that like i said i am not a Murican, but i have family that have been in the military because of situations that Burningham points out below. There is no reason to disrespect them. I understand you might not be a fan of the politician/corporate side but don't bash the people that were doing a job and had no say in who their government sent them against. Also you have to remember pre Dubya (George W. Bush) American soldiers have died to do some very worthwhile things.

Edit: also i don't like picking fights with Developers/Admins so i am going to back out of this conversation now. I just found it very distasteful to post something like that. because i come from a place were you don't dishonor the dead no matter what country they are from.

[krikke93]

Ninijutsu, is that your place? If so, I was the guy talking about the trapped deer at your lake, the guy that suddenly teleported home because I had to