My thoughts on the "big boys"

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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby Eemerald » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:30 am

Let me simply start by saying.
Look at the amount of people playing. 200-300. Doesn't sound like a lot.

A large proportion of this is because of the big boy botters, basement dwellers. These guys bot the night, then look around for villages to destroy. My village hasn't even been attacked yet, but I know that I'm going to leave this game if such people are going to walk around, ruining the fun of others.


Im going to try to address this post as much as I can, as a no botter, living in a peaceful town, with a mixture of people who bot and those who don't. you make the assumption that the amount of people playing has more to do with people botting than the simple fact that at this stage in the world people get bored, they play less and therefore we get fewer people on.
People who bot, may well be doing so to go raid and kill random towns, but you're assuming that this is only botters who do this. There are many people who will try to attack, kill, and destroy easy targets because it's fun. In previous worlds you get idiots trying their luck, leaving scents, getting tracked, summoned and killed because they have no understanding of the game. You get problems with vaults and people unable to seek 'justice' or 'revenge' on killers. These are issues which have always existed and aren't going to change, because PVP is a big aspect of this game.

I'm a peaceful player, you've never heard me post because I never cared about the drama. If I remember the point of this game was to build a village/town by starting in the woods in Germany and create a successful city.


that's is one way to play. And that's how I choose to play. I don't like drama, Im a peaceful player, I established a town with other people who enjoy the game like I do. We have botters in the town, Xcom for instance, but as ramones explained, we don't do so to then go kill people or destroy their gameplay. and everyone does their own thing within the town.
But to suggest that this game is just about starting from nothing and building a town isn't really taking on board the depth this game offers. In world 5 I set up my town, and I learnt the hardway, that regardless of my desire to remain peaceful, and have a peaceful town, that there will always be people who don't play that way. So after being raided twice, the second time complately to the ground, you learn you need to secure yourself, you need to be able to defend yourself, you need to know what to do to protect your town and your game play. And as much as I don't like pvp, what makes this game exciting is that aspect of it, even if u don't use it. there's depth, there's politics, there is some drama, theres difference in how people play, there's difference in how people set up towns, and how they functions, and what they focus on and do. it's not just a building game

I can see why others bot in other games, but here, why? Get a few resources to go on the forums and talk shit? Then you go ahead and ruin the fun of others who joined this game because it was a rts/builder? There shouldn't be any bloodshed unless it's from the animals.

So yea, if the same bs here keeps on happening, then my friends and I will plan to leave. Then another village will leave. Then goes the domino theory. Then you can bot the whole world. Enjoy~


the problem is that many new players do leave, and it's not because of botters, it's because they can't handle the perma death issue. I've had friends play this, and they get a few stats, meet someone and die, and then quit. Even though they haven't achieved even a tiny bit of what the game has to offer. It's a pretty hardcore game, if you're going to quit cause someone killed u in a pvp game, then this isn't the game for you.

Essentially what you have a problem with isn't botters, but it's the pvp in the game. cause u do not ultimately need to bot in order to kill a newb, or trespass and vandalise their crap. anyone who knows how to play this game could achieve that in a matter of a week of playing, without botting a single thing.

If u haven't died at least a few times in this game, and developed a good sense of what to do to protect yourself, and immersed yourself in the community a bit more, you won't enjoy this game.

my deaths:
drowned collecting water as a newb
died to ants
got killed by random animals
been killed inside my town after someone went out with town keys
attacked numerous times
raided a few times

in other words had I gotten butt hurt and quit after my first death I'd have achieved nothing and learnt nothing and gotten nowhere, instead it made me re evaluate how to play, how to protect myself, how to have a better set up, how to deal with good people, how to play this game the way I enjoy in it's many different forms.

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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby Pusstallion » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:48 am

I'm not going to quote what you said. However, a large proportion (if not all) of the large factions/large raiders do bot, this gives them the edge to exceed faster than those who don't. Eventually they get far enough ahead that they start going after better materials. We're behind, obviously. However, because of their constant botting they now have enough materials to actually control that area. Now, here is where the issue comes in hand. All of the mountains have been claimed. You can't go anywhere near them, even just to forage. So we're stuck with our inefficient curios that don't do anything anymore really.


Originally this thread was created to point out how the top factions operate. Eventually the words got twisted, as expected given the internet society.
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby Tonkyhonk » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:01 am

someone gave me this link to a piece of american literature yesterday for something else, but i think some of you should read it and feel the satire ;) (no worries, a very short story, be warned there are many typos.)
"The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby Eemerald » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:08 am

Pusstallion wrote:I'm not going to quote what you said. However, a large proportion (if not all) of the large factions/large raiders do bot, this gives them the edge to exceed faster than those who don't. Eventually they get far enough ahead that they start going after better materials. We're behind, obviously. However, because of their constant botting they now have enough materials to actually control that area. Now, here is where the issue comes in hand. All of the mountains have been claimed. You can't go anywhere near them, even just to forage. So we're stuck with our inefficient curios that don't do anything anymore really.


Originally this thread was created to point out how the top factions operate. Eventually the words got twisted, as expected given the internet society.



I am a part of a large town. I don't play to kill others. it's infact the one thing that can be done in my town thatd u'd get instantly exiled for. and yes many towns or individuals who bot may well get pretty advanced in the game, but you can achieve just as much if ure dedicated without bots. When people go on and on about bots, last world Gina was trading and she didn't bot. I traded and I didn't bot, no one in my town botted when we were trading last world, yet we had some of the best stuff ingame. We also didn't have good resources, no decent clay, average water node, shitty soil node, but somethings u can increase without needing a node for yourself or fantastic resources, because u can always trade for those things, and that's all we did. we had decent silk, decent seeds, decent food, decent cheese production, and sold that in order to buy good clay, and good tools and materials and resources, and that meant we could then get better. Did I care we weren't top? Not really. cause we still had a successful trade thread and had the ability to have curios and pearls and whatever else to get the things we needed.

And yes many raiders bot. hell many new players and players in small towns bot. and yes botting will essentially make you better and stronger if u bot well and know how to play the game well.

at this stage in the game you won't find many resources available, that's just how it goes. We didn't claim the nearest foraging spots in order to allow whoever wanted to use them to do so...but lo and behold they were claimed by others and so now we can only use them f we want to lost a ton of hhp by trespassing those mountains and swamps. but again this has nothing to do with botting. people have always claimed resources, and nodes so that they gain an advantage over others.

essentially you are making assumption by how people play and blaming botting as the reason that the 'big boys (and girls)' get to the top, but there's many reasons why people get to the top in this game, and botting is just 1 possibly reason. I've known smaller towns which bot, and hermits who do. they're not however at the top of the game, nor do they even want to be. they bot to make the game a little quicker on some of the 'chore' jobs and do their own thing.
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby rye130 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:00 am

Unhelpful wrote:I mean obviously if I had all the bots I wouldn't be complaining and wouldn't give a shit if they're a problem or not, but what I wouldn't do is start spamming forums with "hurr bots are a good thing, you all just need to learn programming if you want to play this game!" because I would at least be aware of how moronic that sounds


All of the discussions about botting have basically been about people arguing against them and the botters defending their points. We aren't spamming the forums trying to influence people into botting.

As far as what Pusstallion was trying to talk about initially, being unable to catch up to the "big boys" (atleast I think thats what we're talking about). Qualities are just numbers and it doesn't really matter how high you make those numbers go. Sure you won't have the highest quality carrots if you start late but you can still experience all the game content. Also, the entire system of stats and skills is worked for diminishing returns. If your 5 million LP behind right now, in 2 months that 5 million LP will hardly be any difference.

Edit: That's one of my favorite pieces of literature I've had to read for an English class!
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby NaoWhut » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:20 pm

I don't use bots, i'm one of the more
dangerous people in the game, i forage
every day, hunt every day, farm every
day. I made an alt last week, it has
3,000,000 LP at the moment.

Go raiding>Get metal>Make curios

Have chickens>Wishbones/feathers

Have farm> Straw dolls>Tealeaves>
poppies

Go hunting> Seers bones

All that you need other than that are
mountain curios, flotsams are random,
bluebells are not worth the effort, and
you can just find and kill a bot for them.

What i do... anyone could do. I just have
to wonder why "small boys" don't =o
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby Valten21 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:21 am

didn't read anything but half the first post... People roam around killing noobs even with out bots.
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby MrGemini » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:04 pm

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jorb wrote:Given your obvious merits I'm not convinced that that's a loss, but... you would be more helpful if you stated what it is you dislike about this, and why. I can't do much with "QQstopkillinggaembye".
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby Unhelpful » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:07 pm

NaoWhut wrote:What i do... anyone could do. I just have
to wonder why "small boys" don't =o


what's that? a complete lack of a social life? :P
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Re: My thoughts on the "big boys"

Postby NaoWhut » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:57 pm

Unhelpful wrote:
NaoWhut wrote:What i do... anyone could do. I just have
to wonder why "small boys" don't =o


what's that? a complete lack of a social life? :P


?

Are you upset that you lose in game... so you
assume because i'm better than you... i have
no life? I'm sorry mate... it gets better
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