~Ainran Has Fallen~

[ChildhoodObesity]

thx emerald

[Eemerald]

any time

[Tonkyhonk]

he made an estimation based on his gaming experience of haven and the numbers of people he encounters on a daily basis through trade.

im not going to boycott the haven community who bot just cause I don't do it myself.

sounds like you would lose most of your customers if you boycot botters, since more than 80-90% bot yet the majority of your villagers dont bot ... unless your town has only a very few villagers or ramones believes em city is too special. /sarcasm.

we've just had literally no villagers until this world who botted.

i wonder why

[joojoo1975]

and what everyone is saying is basically the same thing, well not really.

if you bot to mass harvest/farm, then guess what that's an exploit as crops and quality of crops make up(in my opinion) 50+% of formulas in game(fep bonus, mats for tools for crafted items as well as crafted items themselves)

if you trade with botters, then like tonky has said, your getting the benefits of said bot.(is it ok to buy a coat off a guy who's just killed another guy to sell you the dead guy's coat?)

if your using bots to do the "mundane" chores(log harvesting/moving) I don't like bots, but I can see how this one helps LOADS.

if your using bots to forage . . . why even play H&H?

in fact if you bot for any other reason than pushing logs, then why are you playing H&H. If a game gave you all the end game gear and end game stats at lvl 1, why play it to lvl 80?


for the record, I never botted. it was the #1 reason I left darkfall way back when. I can see the need for a way to ease the mundaneness, but botting is Not the answer, Especially if your not gonna actively regulate it.



my 0.02$

[Tonkyhonk]

if you trade with botters, then like tonky has said, your getting the benefits of said bot.(is it ok to buy a coat off a guy who's just killed another guy to sell you the dead guy's coat?)

its more about encouraging botters to bot more for trades especially when you are advertising your trades widely.
(your example doesnt fit here lol)

p.s.

for any other reason

i actually understand some programmers who love challenging their coding skills.

[Eemerald]

he made an estimation based on his gaming experience of haven and the numbers of people he encounters on a daily basis through trade.

im not going to boycott the haven community who bot just cause I don't do it myself.

sounds like you would lose most of your customers if you boycot botters, since more than 80-90% bot yet the majority of your villagers dont bot ... unless your town has only a very few villagers or ramones believes em city is too special. /sarcasm.

we've just had literally no villagers until this world who botted.

i wonder why

Im not quite sure what you mean both times. and I also don't really know how you propose any trader would be able to regulate who from their customers bots and who doesn't. send out a questionnaire before each trade?
my town is very sufficient, the people who play in it are hard working and mature. We have what we had last world, and last world we didn't bot a single thing. so it's certainly not just gained from botting, and I know plenty of others who bot who don't reach any peak in the game or develop quickly, because this game isn't simply 'how do I gain resources/gear etc quickly'.

[Tonkyhonk]

Im not quite sure what you mean both times.

my point is that it is stupid to assume most players are botters. (see why i bothered to type "/sarcasm" there.)
sure, there are increasing numbers of botters this world, i can see it from people i talk and threads i read and its going ridiculous. but from my own encounters, it is not the most, and there are groups who do not bot. (big or small is too subjective to judge and it doesnt matter to me.)
like, not every player is a raider, not every player you meet wants to kill you for lolz, and yet many posters for some reason want to say "most players are so". it hurts the community by giving one-sided wrong ideas.
what people say on the forums affect the community, especially when someone who is famous for trading with many players and for being in one of the famous villages ~especially where most people do not expect them to be botting, like yours~ says most are botting, it tells the community as if botting were just natural in this game, which encourages "its okay to do anything to win" mindsets.
i dont care botters bot very much, but i cant help but speaking loud when forums are making the community think "you have to bot in this game to grow, or to be competitive", because ill get to meet less and less "players" in this game. it is threatening.

btw, dont ask me how to regulate your own trade to avoid botters when your village is botting anyways. it is not about regulations, but it is about your advertising "we accept all botted items too" comment that encourages it.


@ramones,
my problem with you is that your posts have always been encouraging others to "win by any means", intentionally or not. the most recent one was your game fix change complaints where you abuse scents for teleport and spoke as if the abusers were not abusers just because you were trading. before that, sock-puppetting to dis your rival trader with burg on your side, and, your "justified" market price control with threatening pms, and RMT, you kept on posting retarded opinions even on the dedicated thread jorb made to discourage it.
advertise your trades all you want, but dont advertise this game with your false assumptions to the community.

[Eemerald]

Im not quite sure what you mean both times.

my point is that it is stupid to assume most players are botters. (see why i bothered to type "/sarcasm" there.)
sure, there are increasing numbers of botters this world, i can see it from people i talk and threads i read and its going ridiculous. but from my own encounters, it is not the most, and there are groups who do not bot. (big or small is too subjective to judge and it doesnt matter to me.)
like, not every player is a raider, not every player you meet wants to kill you for lolz, and yet many posters for some reason want to say "most players are so". it hurts the community by giving one-sided wrong ideas.
what people say on the forums affect the community, especially when someone who is famous for trading with many players and for being in one of the famous villages ~especially where most people do not expect them to be botting, like yours~ says most are botting, it tells the community as if botting were just natural in this game, which encourages "its okay to do anything to win" mindsets.
i dont care botters bot very much, but i cant help but speaking loud when forums are making the community think "you have to bot in this game to grow, or to be competitive", because ill get to meet less and less "players" in this game. it is threatening.

btw, dont ask me how to regulate your own trade to avoid botters when your village is botting anyways. it is not about regulations, but it is about your advertising "we accept all botted items too" comment that encourages it.

Fair enough. the percentage maybe high, but if he's basing it on the people he encounters then that's the estimation he;s made on experience. be it wrong or right. and yes generalisations can be bad, and ive made comments in threads when ppl have for instance made generalised comments about this community being aggressive towards noobs- ive yet to experience that even on random newb alts that I wander around with. So I get your response, but the only reason I commented back was because u involved my town in a generalisation of your own based on a comment ramones made. And I realise you think i'm still 'wrong' or whatever in allowing bots to be used in my town, or to trade and gain things from trades, but that's fine, you don't need to like it, it's how we choose to play. But my town isn't controlled by bots, I don't use them and the majority of my town don't and those that do, do so because its how they prefer to play.

as for regulation, I don't have issue with it, so I wouldn't regulate it personally, I only asked how ud propose on doing so if any trader was ever going to have an issue with dealing with people who bot their stuff since you mentioned the trade issue.

[Tonkyhonk]

but the only reason I commented back was because u involved my town in a generalisation of your own based on a comment ramones made. And I realise you think i'm still 'wrong' or whatever in allowing bots to be used in my town, or to trade and gain things from trades, but that's fine, you don't need to like it, it's how we choose to play. But my town isn't controlled by bots, I don't use them and the majority of my town don't and those that do, do so because its how they prefer to play.

what outstanding villagers say represents his/her village to the public. sometimes a villager who doesnt fit in speaks too loud or gives some false info, but as long as the leader leaves him/her be, id take it the same as the shared will/view of the village he/she belongs to unless specifically noted otherwise.
and where did i say you are 'wrong'? i dont think i did.

as for regulation, I don't have issue with it, so I wouldn't regulate it personally, I only asked how ud propose on doing so if any trader was ever going to have an issue with dealing with people who bot their stuff since you mentioned the trade issue.

it is not about regulations, but it is about your advertising "we accept all botted items too" comment that encourages it.

[Jojjkano]

Anyone that didnt see a problem with the combat changes when the changelog was presented is an idiot, thats what happens when peasfool farmers suggest changes in combat.

Now stop sulking and play botville 2013 until Jorbtar pulls their head out of their ass and revert combat back to w6 mechanics.