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[Patchouli_Knowledge]

What you describe with only one two tier equipment tends to be what I call linear equipment progression. However there are several multiplayer and MMOs whose progression is not entirely linear. Terraria (multiplayer, you mention that not just limited your specific to just MMOs) has several types of build despite having three "class armor" where someone that is going Megashark build is going to have some difference compare to someone with a piranha gun build even if they are both technically both in the range armor class. Even ignoring 1000 possible combination, you can still have about 7/8 top tier armor setting. And that is just getting into the combat gears and not the building gears.

Wakfu (MMORPG) also has some variety of builds for each race. A transposition Sacrier (the ones that freely displaces allies, enemies, and themselves to give his team an advantage will be different from a motion sickness Sacrier (less about playing chess and more about using said displacement as a weapon), even though they are both generall air element. This is not just skill build but also armor build as well. I should emphasized on the above since I used to play said transposition Sacrier and my gear was not aiming to be the top but to use every detailed attribute to my advantage where that being 5 points initiate too low or too high will make my build start to fall off of the ideal point. More isn't everything.

[Kaios]

You can change the looking of the armor but still most of people will use the same armor just change the image.

Some people from the "pros" in haven are wearing different stuff like cylinder hats and shit like that, but well if you ask me I don't care about the look or being "different" I'd rather get higher armor class.

Yeah I agree that most people are more interested in the higher armor class over different looks which is why we have such similar looking players currently. Blame for that also falls partly on the general lack of different gear.

That is why I like Archeage's system so much though, you can wear the best armor you can get your hands on but change the image to whatever other equipment you like.

Also just as an FYI the gear in Archeage is classed by way of "Clothe, Leather, Plate" but each type can be worn by any type of class or race so the chance for players to look exactly the same is there but fortunately the game allows players such a variety of choices that it is rare to see identical players.

[Amanda44]

If Havens remake does end up spoiling the game, Eve online is where you'll find me - I don't have enough spare time to play two MMO's simultaneously so atm I stick with Haven being as it's my first love, but, I've played a bit of Eve on my friends account and it is an awesome game. But then I am into all the science/space thing so that obviously helps.

Some of the crafts built there go for huge amounts of ingame currency simply because of their uniqueness, there is no 'best' craft because it depends on the chosen mods of the person building them, the role of the ship and the pilots abilities. It's quite complex and I haven't experienced enough of the game to elaborate further but it is correct as an example.

[Ozzy123]

Well, the thing is in haven there is not many character builds etc, you can see a 2000 meele/500 uac guy running with shield, you can see an ranger with rbow and quiver but they both are useless in combat so not gear but character builds are the problem here.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

Well, the thing is in haven there is not many character builds etc, you can see a 2000 meele/500 uac guy running with shield, you can see an ranger with rbow and quiver but they both are useless in combat so not gear but character builds are the problem here.

I agree with you in regards to Haven's progression. If we ignore the quality system, then it is basically building up a linear progression leather->iron->steel->dragon helm, notably steel used to be the top tier and when dragon helms are introduce, it just simple adds another tier. And then the quality system is in itself and endless linear progression. What is worse is that the only counter against it is to have better stuff and better stats, which in itself is linear in a sense.

I am a bit out of loop of fight but from the time I have fought before, it felt that PvP damage was almost binary or trinary that you either deal 0 damage or you deal enough to bring them down or the next hit will due to how damage scales so much faster than HP and damage reduction being a simple subtraction doesn't help.

[Ozzy123]

the combat system is the only gud thing in the game along with permadeath, some things should get fixed tho but it gr8 i r8 8/8

[borka]

I'd think a majority has a different view on that Ozzy

Also if permadeath would be true permadeath (without inheriting) you'd love it less i guess

[dafels]

Also if permadeath would be true permadeath (without inheriting) you'd love it less i guess

I would love it more.

[Ozzy123]

Same here, I'd love permadeath to be true permadeath, the amount of people I killed and studying their skulls would get me on + even If I lost 100% of my stats couple of times.

If you meant that majority has a different view on combat system then it's pretty obvious, majority of people in every community, country or city is dumb, most of people from forum never actually fought in this game, never got to know most of the combat tricks and how to use most of the moves. For me in this game being a peacefull farmer that never fights is like not playing it at all, cuz for me its go big or go home. Getting curios, doing farm, raising animals - no matter what you do, botters will beat you anyways, the only thing that isnt fully botted in this game is combat and maybe pixel arts but noone seems to have a chance against Sveta anyways.

[borka]

Sorry Ozzy - i didn't meant just different view on combat system but at gameplay overall - i think many don't care about competition at all.

As i stated before i came from FPS MP Tournaments to HnH - so i have a different view on peasfool farming, mining, crafting and the like - if i wanted to fight mainly i'd go back there.

While i'm not against players who enjoy combat and sure have big respect for all of you that master it - thus i welcome your and dafels statement about permadeath. But i'm more into finding diplomatic solutions where ever possible - just another side of the game politics.

Oh no combat botting yet ?!?

and maybe pixel arts but noone seems to have a chance against Sveta anyways.