Thoughts on robbing inactive players?

[cyrus9586]

Working on rebuilding a village with some friends. On the island and near our village is several claims that are a bit more advanced than us and we can see some things that would help us out, Metal meat grinder etc, on claims that are rotting, IE almost everything is orange and even large chunks of wall are missing. I am not the leader of the village and my vote is to leave them alone but we all govern ourselves and the others wish to get the skills to go looking at what they have and take what we need. I have a feeling this is going to end up with me getting attacked if anyone decides to track scents even if I stay out of it. Unless of course no one cares about dying claims and no one is going to track us down for things they do.

Thoughts or opinions please? Like I said I would rather leave them be even if the items would be helpful.

Edit: We know we can try to declaim these claims but some of them are too far out and we doubt we could stretch our boundaries that far and get the authority to declaim them. Some are just massive.

[Amanda44]

If the claims are in such a bad state of repair then they have clearly been inactive for quite some time, consequently the only black skill you would need would be trespassing. Once a claim has not been logged into for a month you can access the claim with the trespassing skill and destroy the claim stick leaving no other scents, you are then free to take what you need.

With a village you will either be able to take over the LS position or destroy the idol as the authority would have dropped - a village idol will decay if left, the same as walls and buildings.

[cyrus9586]

I did not know about destorying the stake but that was only a minor concern of getting the items. I dont want to condone anything that is frowned upon. Let alone be part of it.

[NOOBY93]

If the claims are in such a bad state of repair then they have clearly been inactive for quite some time, consequently the only black skill you would need would be trespassing and vandalism. Once a claim has not been logged into for a month you can access the claim with the trespassing skill and destroy the claim stick leaving no other scents, you are then free to take what you need.

With a village you will either be able to take over the LS position or destroy the idol as the authority would have dropped - a village idol will decay if left, the same as walls and buildings.

I did not know about destorying the stake but that was only a minor concern of getting the items. I dont want to condone anything that is frowned upon. Let alone be part of it.

Don't worry about it. The place is abandoned, nobody cares about it, what you need to be careful about is not getting tracked by the scents you leave in the process. Many hermits have gotten killed over scents while raiding an inactive base. Make sure you have a brick wall.

[cyrus9586]

Logged in today...They already started and we dont even have our palisade done yet and we all dont have the str to mine yet to get the metal for the brick wall.

[venatorvenator]

You mean ethically? I suppose a month without logging in forfeits your ownership over the things in your claim. If you can destroy the stake, take the items. If not, don't. Taking the items without destroying the stake will only end badly for you.

Some people track and kill for tresspass. But those are the people who would kill you anyway and just need an arrow pointing to you. And basic metal tools are quite a boost for starting settlements, so you'll develop quicker.

EDIT:

Logged in today...They already started and we dont even have our palisade done yet and we all dont have the str to mine yet to get the metal for the brick wall.

So you also don't have vandalism, theft, and lawspeaking, I assume?

[Amanda44]

If the claims are in such a bad state of repair then they have clearly been inactive for quite some time, consequently the only black skill you would need would be trespassing and vandalism. Once a claim has not been logged into for a month you can access the claim with the trespassing skill and destroy the claim stick leaving no other scents, you are then free to take what you need.

With a village you will either be able to take over the LS position or destroy the idol as the authority would have dropped - a village idol will decay if left, the same as walls and buildings.

Yes, sorry, I forgot - you do need vandalism but you don't leave vandalism scents when you destroy a pclaim stick that has been inactive for the month. If it has been under the month your character won't destroy the stick and will just walk up to it and do nothing.

I did not know about destroying the stake but that was only a minor concern of getting the items. I dont want to condone anything that is frowned upon. Let alone be part of it.

Personally I can't see how removing an annoying abandoned claim would be frowned upon but maybe some players have a different opinion, I guess we'll see.
The way I see it is the players have quit, died, w/e, they have gone, so you are not actually hurting anyone. I really enjoy going over abandoned claims and feel it is beneficial for others, esp newer players, to free up that area, which those newer players may then wish to take over and repair.

[cyrus9586]

we just started rebuilding a few days ago. I focus on food and leather it was their choice to take over building the idol etc.

[cyrus9586]

So the choice was made for me pretty easily yesterday. We all had skype open and I went AFK for a while. Came back and they were talking about killing me to make me move and keep me quiet.
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See em kill em if you want. I dont care. I destroyed all of the things I could packed up 2 coffers and my inventory and traveled for 7 hours twisting through the waterways to get where I am now. I am sure this was an active village until recently. It is huge and 70% of it is still here. Palisade walls were never finished and some were in need of repair. All the wine is no vinegar and all the chickens are dead in the coops. All crops are fully grown etc. I am not sure how long this village has been abandoned but I am working on restoring it now. One more thing. I can see a LOT of work went into where I am living now. I can't say where I am as I dont know how to bring up the coordinates nor would I post that if i knew. I can say there is a runestone outside that says: I carved this . There is a ton of food and resources here and I know that for wine to become vinegar only takes a few days RL time. There are 2 players sleeping where I claimed and I will eventually expand to encompass this whole village. But I am a nice guy. There is a stone I carved saying my forum name and to send me a PM if they want it back. If you know this place. If you know these people somehow PLEASE let them know I am not stealing this claim. I found it and am restoring it as best I can and it is theirs to take back if one of these two players logs in and I see them on or if the PM me and can prove that they are the original owners or something. I haven't touched any of their stuff save to throw some coffers onto my claim and ate 2 pieces of meat cause I had no food on me from my move.

I got one big claim to the EAST and rivers close by. This village was in a transition and I don't know if they lost interest or what. I can tell you there are about 6 beds but only 2 people sleeping outside on spruce beds instead of inside on straw ones.

TL:DR If two people (at least) say some dude staked a claim on their village and want him dead etc show them this first so they can get in contact with me and get the place back. All I will take are 4 bones 4 dreams and be on my way to find a new home while they get to have their claim back safe and sound and get to keep playing H&H and be happy.

[Amanda44]

Oh dear, lol, in some ways I don't suppose you can blame them for not wanting you to spread their business all over the forum, sounds like a lack of communication, but wanting to kill you instead of just asking you to leave seems a bit much.

For a peaceful player who was upset at the thought of taking over an abandoned place I was quite surprised to hear you destroyed their stuff and took away what you could carry though, they probably definitely want you dead now!

Anyway good luck moving forward, it sounds like you've had a good find and if none of it is claimed and things have been left it does sound like the previous occupants have given up for w/e reasons, if you are still worried you can always harvest the crops and replant, that way you are just keeping it going and not exactly 'stealing' stuff, though as tbh if it's not claimed it's not owned and to build that much and not claim it would be stupid, so, imo, they must have moved on.