Petal tried to steal from me in a trade

[Anon9k]

Whats your question?...I just read "retard , retarded 9000, retarded retard retards"
Ask me a proper question.

Please tell me just a single reason to take someone's side in this case except for you being retarded.

[petal]

Whats your question?...I just read "retard , retarded 9000, retarded retard retards"
Ask me a proper question.

Please tell me just a single reason to take someone's side in this case except for you being retarded.

The entire thread? Look at the pics and Holya blatantly expressing his intention to oath kill me? the village named "Oath killing for Allahu"

Youre not "retarded" or bias at all.

[Anon9k]

Whats your question?...I just read "retard , retarded 9000, retarded retard retards"
Ask me a proper question.

Please tell me just a single reason to take someone's side in this case except for you being retarded.

The entire thread? Look at the pics and Holya blatantly expressing his intention to oath kill me? the village named "Oath killing for Allahu"

Youre not "retarded" or bias at all.

Apparently you are beyond the border of stupidity that could be healed one day.
Alright, rephrasing: WHY SHOULD I TAKE HOLYA'S SIDE (if there are any sides) IF THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS PROVEN SCAMMER IS YOU?

[Comodo]

Whats your question?...I just read "retard , retarded 9000, retarded retard retards"
Ask me a proper question.

Please tell me just a single reason to take someone's side in this case except for you being retarded.

The entire thread? Look at the pics and Holya blatantly expressing his intention to oath kill me? the village named "Oath killing for Allahu"

Youre not "retarded" or bias at all.

What was his motive to kill you?

also

Too bad you ported in with no pearls, so you didn't keep up to your part of the bargain.
Did you except him to let you port back with his ROBs and trust you to grab the pearls and port back?

BTW: the only people in this thread who I know are Hoyla and you, Petal.

[petal]

Apparently you are beyond the border of stupidity that could be healed one day.
Alright, rephrasing: WHY SHOULD I TAKE HOLYA'S SIDE (if there are any sides) IF THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS PROVEN SCAMMER IS YOU?

Holyas proven oath killer, doesnt deny it, yet you call me scammer. I can care less about your "side" , youve failed to say anything beyond the lines of "stupid" or "retard", its probably good to let you know youre opinion is as valuable as a penguin suffering from down syndrome, you should proceed to smash your head into a wall.

What was his motive to kill you?

Its in the thread. Im sure that was the first point made.

[Lordtimo]

Ok to summarize it in petal-approved english:

Comodo stole 2 chests from you when he met you on a river: You accuse him of being a bad trader & griefer.

Fact is: Maybe he is a griefer , but appearently not a bad trader as he didnt hurt you in any of his trades.
Posting bad feedback in his thread makes you a scammer in this case, because he didnt make a single trade with you where he scammed you. Dont have to go into detail about such feedbacks i guess, but i can say that they can ruin whole trade threads/put off new customers.

Case number 2: You want to buy RoB's from Holya, while you both maybe not have the best relation to each other. So you port without the payment, which makes you again a scammer in first place. After that he killed you, because you took the RoB's without having the payment with you. He did nothing wrong in this case as he just didnt wanted you to port out without paying.

Again you start to post bad feedback in trade threads, while you were the person acting wrong in first place. Maybe you had the feeling he might kill you, but this is not a proove, and porting without payment after that puts you in a very bad position.

And now you just keep posting bad feedbacks in trade threads, while noone of the traders did something wrong in trades.

You accuse everyone of taking a side, but i never talked with Comodo or Holya. Its just you acting wrong and putting people in bad positions.

Now give me one good reason to not call you a retard, as you just give bad feedbacks without prooves/reasons.

And again, as it seems to be your only "argument", noone is allied with Holya or Comodo here, people just (taking your words) "judged traders themselfes".

I hope you can understand my point now, and give me some answers / arguments instead of trying to change the topic.

[petal]

Ok to summarize it in petal-approved english:

Comodo stole 2 chests from you when he met you on a river: You accuse him of being a bad trader & griefer.

Fact is: Maybe he is a griefer , but appearently not a bad trader as he didnt hurt you in any of his trades.
Posting bad feedback in his thread makes you a scammer in this case, because he didnt make a single trade with you where he scammed you. Dont have to go into detail about such feedbacks i guess, but i can say that they can ruin whole trade threads/put off new customers.

Case number 2: You want to buy RoB's from Holya, while you both maybe not have the best relation to each other. So you port without the payment, which makes you again a scammer in first place. After that he killed you, because you took the RoB's without having the payment with you. He did nothing wrong in this case as he just didnt wanted you to port out without paying.

Again you start to post bad feedback in trade threads, while you were the person acting wrong in first place. Maybe you had the feeling he might kill you, but this is not a proove, and porting without payment after that puts you in a very bad position.

And now you just keep posting bad feedbacks in trade threads, while noone of the traders did something wrong in trades.

And now you just keep posting bad feedbacks, but i never talked with Comodo or Holya. Its just you acting wrong and putting people in bad positions.

Now give me one good reason to not call you a retard, as you just give bad feedbacks without prooves/reasons.

And again, as it seems to be your only "argument", noone is allied with Holya or Comodo here, people just (taking your words) "judged traders themselfes".

I hope you can understand my point now, and give me some answers / arguments instead of trying to change the topic.

I understand your point somewhat, the problem is your perspective is skewed. Ill stop explaining it objectively and try to look from your perspective.

Youre holding on to desperate technicalities. trying real hard to defend known grefiers and oathkillers. instead of denying they are actually criminals you now resort to justifying their criminal actions instead.

"oh he stole your chests but didnt kill you" what? thats your rationality? he didnt kill me because i escaped as he ran the other way with my boat/chests.

"And now you just keep posting bad feedbacks" I said they are unreliable and criminals, which their traders need to know. If they werent , they wouldnt try so hard to justify their criminal actions. claiming somethings are suddenly more condemnable than other at your personal whim and bias.

"as you just give bad feedbacks without prooves/reasons." the proof is literately everywhere in this thread. you even claimed that from an objective point of view that we are both wrong yet that youll take his side out of whim.

"And again, as it seems to be your only "argument", noone is allied with Holya or Comodo here," thats hardly my only argument... but one worth noting.
youve read bits and pieces and construct whatever you want but its obvious if you cross reference the Comodo theft thread and this thread that the same exact people came to defend him (I shouldn't even say defend because most of them only came to post profanity,defame me or incriminate Holya even FURTHER but trying to justify his action instead of trying to deny it, its obvious in all the replies these people dont care about the actions of their criminal friends WHICH THEY SAY THEMSELVES),

this game is full of people that fit in your definition of raider and theif.

maybe not you but look for yourself.

Whats particularly sad is that even Holya stopped responding after he realized he incriminated himself in the first few posts, the pics, the obvious oathkilling setup. yet youre here like lackeys , holding up the slack.

did i miss anything?

[Lordtimo]

With " he didnt killed you " i mean that he didnt killed you in a trade / did anything else in a thread. You have to make a cut between traders and those traders outside of the trade thread. (Example is jordan coles, he has a trade thread and already traded with his enemys without any killing, while they kill each other everyday outside of trading)

His traders dont need to know what he does outside of trades, because its not related to the trading.

Well , i can definitely understand Holya, if someone would trade with me and come without payment , but takes the items i would kill him aswell. If he comes and realizes that he forgot the payment i would let him port back without the items and reoath him to succesfully trade with him. But it seemed that you dont have the intention to pay him.

The same people came to defend him, well that maybe be caused by the fact that those people browse the forums daily and already saw in the other thread, that you were wrong and not comodo and then they tried to point that out for you.

If im not wrong Comodo is with "Kokis angels", and i can surely say that those guys defending him are not related to him in any way.

Also i didnt just read some bits, im browsing forums daily aswell, and read both threads completely.

Also i dont think that he stopped cuz he realized that he is a criminal scum or smth like this, maybe he just doesnt have time to post all day in forums / is busy with other stuff, or maybe he already gave up to argue with you, as your basic point is "everyone who is not on my side is wrong". Maybe all those people are against you not because they are allied with each other but because they are all right about their position.

Edit: Let me add something. Holyas action was not wrong or something, it was you forcing him to do it, as you came without the payment. If you have bad feelings about trading with him before, then just dont trade with him.

[windmaker]

this shit seems more personal than another thing.
to petal:
1) dear , if u dont trust in trader, dont trade, not is very inteligent get a unnecesary risk
2) if u "forget" the payment, dont take the trade-stuffs, that can be considered like a steal (take things, oath and back to village), just back to village with the payment.
3) i dont like holya, comodo or anynone of that guys. in fact i can sure (my opinion) comodo tracks to syntahura and kill it with kindergarden group.
4) holya not is my favorite, is just meh.
5) i dont like the massive bully, (is like world vs petal, i consider that very shit personally)
6) use a traderalt.

[petal]

were making progress but youre still making up or filling in parts based on bias.

1)With " he didnt killed you " i mean that he didnt killed you in a trade / did anything else in a thread. You have to make a cut between traders and those traders outside of the trade thread. (Example is jordan coles, he has a trade thread and already traded with his enemys without any killing, while they kill each other everyday outside of trading)

Youre acting as if these rules are set in stone. Things work on a fundamental level that doesnt bent at whim, Trust is based on Reputation, Reputation is based on Action, those facts aren't up for discussion as far as rules of society and nature are concerned.. all the extra things youre saying is bells and whistles. maybe jordan coles have subjective reasons to do that but I dont. I posted on comodos thread and said the truth, I never said he did anything to me in a trade but that he stole from me and for people to take it for what it is. some continued to trade with him im sure and some didnt.

2)If he comes and realizes that he forgot the payment i would let him port back without the items and reoath him to succesfully trade with him. But it seemed that you dont have the intention to pay him.

Its an assumption that I didnt have the intention to pay him (one i refuted already) but its a fact that he aggroed me without explanation or much time as shown in his own pictures and timeline.

3)The same people came to defend him, well that maybe be caused by the fact that those people browse the forums daily and already saw in the other thread, that you were wrong and not comodo and then they tried to point that out for you.

again Ill just say to cross reference the threads and not skip through. I wasnt wrong about comodo. you can pm comodo about it yourself. hes not going to deny trying to raid me either (for making the thread) and failed, neither is his village. they came to rescue him.

4) Maybe all those people are against you not because they are allied with each other but because they are all right about their position.

Give an example of someone not calling me a retard or stupid or a case of someone making a valid response? go ahead Im still here responding.

this shit seems more personal than another thing.
to petal:
1) dear , if u dont trust in trader, dont trade, not is very inteligent get a unnecesary risk
2) if u "forget" the payment, dont take the trade-stuffs, that can be considered like a steal (take things, oath and back to village), just back to village with the payment.
3) i dont like holya, comodo or anynone of that guys. in fact i can sure (my opinion) comodo tracks to syntahura and kill it with kindergarden group.
4) holya not is my favorite, is just meh.
5) i dont like the massive bully, (is like world vs petal, i consider that very shit personally)
6) use a traderalt.

1) I was actually hoping he wasnt going be a tool and oathkill me
2) I didnt take the trade stuff, check the pics.
3)4) my point exactly, they are a group/band of raiders/griefers, and poor ones at that.
5) also my point but I replied to ever single one, none of them have much more to say that spew insults.
6) it was a tradealt, I lost nothing.

thanks windmaker, first objective reply.