Game Development: A Far Green Country

[Myrgard]

The server is relatively stable. I haven't had problems playing at all. And as far as I've seen NO lag at all.

Well for those of us who remember the horrilag from world 6 there is no lag now.

But in truth the game is laggy, also while the music and sound seem nice the sound lag is taking away all the charm.

[LukeSkywalker]

I can count on 2 hands how many times its crashed. There hasn't been a crash in hours and hours now and if there was one it was for like 10 minutes lol. I get absolutely no lag.

Just because you magically are getting no lag and somehow able to connect to the down server doesn't invalidate everybody else who is having problems, and it would make fixing them faster if you didn't spread misinformation.

[Ragnar214]

I can count on 2 hands how many times its crashed. There hasn't been a crash in hours and hours now and if there was one it was for like 10 minutes lol. I get absolutely no lag.

Just because you magically are getting no lag and somehow able to connect to the down server doesn't invalidate everybody else who is having problems, and it would make fixing them faster if you didn't spread misinformation.

Yep servers down right now. First time in a REALLY LONG time.

[Ralek]

NineWorlds post from the P2P thread. Everyone should see this (especially you "inaccurate opinion" shills).

The pay plan is terrible anyone with any economic skills would understand that.
Although I suppose that's a good reason you're a game developer, although I would make a recommendation to hire on a third member to do your finance deals; as the two of you together are not highly capable to do such deeds.

Everyone is pointing out the same aspect that this came out of no where and that the prices are simply to high to match what you are giving us.
The game is an ALPHA game, and now that you have simply came out with an honestly new version of the game in reality that makes it a brand new game. This means a brand new alpha, if the old haven was anywhere close to being finished with a few years under it's belt this game will see another 5 or so years before it is even caught to the old haven.

Jorb, stating that you two explained in an interview that there would be Monetized could have meant anything.
This could mean the game would be sold, a subscription, store bought items and so forth.

No one is crying that the game has a subscription fee, they are angry this literally came out of no where regardless of your interview. Your interview was vague, and gave us no direction of what it would actually be. Let's also look at the entire list of fees. Claiming that $6 is the lowest the game can go, if purchased at a full year. Let's repeat this.

A Full Year

No one is going to throw out that kind of money for a year on a game especially one of an alpha state no matter what. Let's also not mention that you two are not quite regular updaters of the game. It would could be months before we even see a new patch to the game most likely knowing the old haven.

So for the break down you want us the players
- to pay a large sub to an alpha game, regardless of price even at $6 dollars, it must be bought for a full year.
- to pay a sub to a game that doesn't see regular updates
- to pay a sub to a game that cannot stop crashing or lagging
- to pay a sub to a game that has little to no content other then to Grind and Survive, there are no other aspects like normal mmo's. ( No quest, no lore. Basic wild life in the game etc...)
this list could probably go on but the bottom line is your game is simply not finished and does NOT under any circumstance stand at a level with higher mmos.

I love haven to death, and would gladly pay a fee, but not on par to what I would have to pay for other mmos of a much higher degree. This game is worth 5 dollars at best for a subscription fee total. No deals such as a full year at 6 a month, or 15 dollars for one month.

WoW = $15
Final Fantasy XIV = $15
Runescape = $10 ( Can buy game time with in game gold so you never have to waste irl money)
EVE = $15
Guild Wars 2 = NO FEE other then buy base game
Lord of the Rings Online = NO FEE other then base game, and if you want to buy things such as new quests packs, which are no more then a pocket full of change.

There are Mmo's that are completely free for a one time base game price or cost 10-15 and are top tier.
So you've based your prices of an alpha game to compete with top games in the mmos franchise.

Again no one in here is mad your game cost, you're a developer giving us a product and we should have to pay, but for the price of a game in it's alpha stage is laughable.

What you should have done was released cosmetics, like you have.
If the game was to have a Fee make it a reasonable price of $5 dollars for a alpha mmo.

Other alternatives to get rid of the subscription fees is to sale the game on STEAM for $15.
Increase the price as the game grew in players, if the game have atleast a 1000 player base growth increase it by 5 dollars. New players who buy the game now pay $20. If the player base grew another 5thousand increase the price.

But this would also mean you have to send out regular weekly updates and patches to the game, and I'm guessing you two wouldn't want to do that.

[Ragnar214]

@Ralek

Lol you're the shill dude. 72 dollars a year woooopie! How many games do you buy on steam? games usually cost anywhere from 20-80 dollars and then they have DLC.

Stop shilling for your freeloading ass. Go get a job.

I'd much prefer to see discussion about Game Development on the "Game Development" thread as I am interested in that. Instead I read nothing but endless whining.

[ddraig]

@Ralek

Lol you're the shill dude. 72 dollars a year woooopie! How many games do you buy on steam? games usually cost anywhere from 20-80 dollars and then they have DLC.

Stop shilling for your freeloading ass. Go get a job.

I'd much prefer to see discussion about Game Development on the "Game Development" thread as I am interested in that. Instead I read nothing but endless whining.

you pretend 1 thing to be another
if you compare to steam games, i havent seen there any game that has shittons of lags and careless devs and usually its b2p in steam, unlike here, where you dont own anything after payment

[LukeSkywalker]

@Ralek

Lol you're the shill dude.

Says the guy that has literally been in this thread brownnosing since launch. You're so far up Jorbtar's ass you forgot what the sun looks like. Must suck having to go through life this delusional.

[Gotohellcadz]

@Ralek

Lol you're the shill dude. 72 dollars a year woooopie! How many games do you buy on steam? games usually cost anywhere from 20-80 dollars and then they have DLC.

Stop shilling for your freeloading ass. Go get a job.

I'd much prefer to see discussion about Game Development on the "Game Development" thread as I am interested in that. Instead I read nothing but endless whining.

I can easily buy a game on steam for the full retail at 70 and get a triple A well development, long lasting and above all things: SUPPORTED product. comparing hafen to a triple A release is like comparing pruno to a finely aged wine, they're both alcohol in some sense, but there's a lot more effort and care into that wine and it was actually made with the strong intent of making money.

[Fharlanghn]

I'm not sure how to feel about this.

Has the Inner Circle that has been your go-to group for community matters been dissolved, now that you have paid subscriptions and such? It seems like you're out of luck, regardless. Either it hasn't, and the people who paid are just fools who paid for more hours of game-time and no additional access to your attention, or it has and you've spurned a group of people who supposedly offered up a great deal of feedback on your eternal alpha game.

In any case, I wish you guys well. For all it's worth, I had fun with the old Hearthlands and still fondly recall a lot of what I came across while I played it. Maybe the twenty-four hours I'm afforded will last through a month of my spare time, though I doubt it will have as much activity as previous worlds did.

See you around.

[Ragnar214]

@Ralek

Lol you're the shill dude.

Says the guy that has literally been in this thread brownnosing since launch. You're so far up Jorbtar's ass you forgot what the sun looks like. Must suck having to go through life this delusional.

I just love the game. Go cry somewhere else.

"There are 854 hearthlings playing."