Request for Contact: Helfors/Never Neverland

[boshaw]

Loftar has one of those whatever they're called chat rooms going.

Hey, look, I've simply forgotten to log onto IRC when I rebooted my computer.

Will you ever consider logging back into the Riot chat that Loftar's in with a few of us? It's a real party in there!

[Omnipotent]

Why are y'all up in arms about game balance being broken? It's always been, always will be. You should be used to it by now.

I think the difference here is only one group was able to use it to their gain, which in turn puts every single other person at a disadvantage.

If the system is broken, but everyone gets to use the system, at least we all use the same broken system.

This is akin to using a bike with training wheels to climb a mountain while AD is using HGH and $3000 mountain bikes. The race was rigged from the get go.

[Potjeh]

Why w12 tho? You're gonna have the same people doing something similar within first three months of that world too. The only way to prevent broken qualities is hardcapping all qualities.

[Omnipotent]

How are you gonna hide all your q10000 spitroasts from migfhty SQL UPDATE and it's herald, SQL SELECT?

Implying it is truly that easy to do, I think they would have noticed them a long time ago.

Things are not so cut and dry that you can easily remove all cheated food and stats gained from said cheated food. Short of rolling back all AD characters that is, and that could negatively impact people who did not intentionally cheat as well (assuming some people didn't cheat).

[Zentetsuken]

How are you gonna hide all your q10000 spitroasts from migfhty SQL UPDATE and it's herald, SQL SELECT?

Implying it is truly that easy to do, I think they would have noticed them a long time ago.

Things are not so cut and dry that you can easily remove all cheated food and stats gained from said cheated food. Short of rolling back all AD characters that is, and that could negatively impact people who did not intentionally cheat as well (assuming some people didn't cheat).

yo loftar we got an expert here bud, maybe this guy can help fix everything, he seems to have it all figured out

[Dakkan]

Loftar has one of those whatever they're called chat rooms going.

Hey, look, I've simply forgotten to log onto IRC when I rebooted my computer.

Same, ever since I started needing Discord to talk to folks I've gotten lazy with starting up IRC.

[Yuginelol]

How are you gonna hide all your q10000 spitroasts from migfhty SQL UPDATE and it's herald, SQL SELECT?

Implying it is truly that easy to do, I think they would have noticed them a long time ago.

Things are not so cut and dry that you can easily remove all cheated food and stats gained from said cheated food. Short of rolling back all AD characters that is, and that could negatively impact people who did not intentionally cheat as well (assuming some people didn't cheat).

It is probably more complicated to do than this sure, but I've yet to encounter a database admin who casually scrolls through tables looking for abnormally large int values in his spare time. So yeah, noticing it would have been problematic, unless you prepare for that specific kind of thing.

[julian12it]

I've been trying to duplicate a bug in relation to splitroasts. Can't seem to do anything in that regards. Can you give us some information on what to expect? Is it quality, meat amount, bones, etc?

[Avu]

Why w12 tho? You're gonna have the same people doing something similar within first three months of that world too. The only way to prevent broken qualities is hardcapping all qualities.

Oh give it a rest already.

[Omnipotent]

It is probably more complicated to do than this sure, but I've yet to encounter a database admin who casually scrolls through tables looking for abnormally large int values in his spare time. So yeah, noticing it would have been problematic, unless you prepare for that specific kind of thing.

Your previous comment implies that it would be extremely easy to do. Now you're saying that it would be problematic. You can't have it both ways my friend.

Being that this is a videogame made by video game developers, and not just a typical database made by a database admin... Filtering results is not your only weapon. It is possible to implement various ways of comparing things like average stats and compiling a list of top-stat players, which is then sorted further with different rules. You could even have alerts for things like a player gaining more than X stat boosts in one day, over a week, and so forth. These alerts don't necessarily need to punish people either, just bring their actions to the surface to be evaluated by a human. Obviously tweaks would be necessary to filter out the majority of pointless alerts, but don't kid yourself into thinking these things are impossible to spot.

Those are very crude examples, but there are actually some effective ways of finding cheaters in videogames. I'm not saying it's easy, but you have to be willing to think out of the box. If you take no steps to prevent cheating in your community, then players can and will find a way to cheat. That's an undeniable fact.