Divine Intervention: Helfors/Never Neverland, Roasted

[MamoruKit]

Interest in the game is gone, this is not a bug but a shortage of developers, and because of 20-30 stats, depriving a character without hoping for burial, at least for a creed (not talking about the fact that it was possible to simply erase the stats). There were no third-party programs or even some kind of garbage from outside, it means no cheat. For this, no one bans. In vain just recently bought a subscription. Of course, if I knew that it would be so, I would not have touched this food.

[Avu]

If what this NPC tells us is true (NPC because he certainly did not bother interacting with us before) it makes me feel a bit better about the measures taken. There is a higher chance the devs really got them all rather than the outliers with highest stats.

As for you NPC no pity. You chose to align yourself and benefit from the fruits of bug users. Eat what you sowed. If you are indeed regretful then you can join the forums become respectable and perhaps even choose better friends ingame.

[Lojka]

they didn't say anything about bug because they (or their friends) can still abuse it, but more sneaky

[shubla]

Like some people have stated before in this thread. I don't think that the damage caused to the world by this thing can be reverted.
If people had access to high amounts of str for example, they could have made hq anvil, tools, all kinds of infrastructure...
They will get MAJOR advantage from abusing the bug for a very long time, maybe rest of the world. And it is rather difficult to track down all these tools, buildings and items to remove them.

[shubla]

I think that punishments should be more rough about these kinds of things, like ban all characters that live on their realm.
One may ask why, but the explanation is simple!
Then you can get everyone in the community to really hate them, which is a good penalty, better than just taking away their characters!

[Avu]

Doubt it matters anymore. That stone axe was clue enough. I think people already sent Jorb the solution so it will be fixed.

[iamahh]

Interest in the game is gone, this is not a bug but a shortage of developers, and because of 20-30 stats, depriving a character without hoping for burial, at least for a creed (not talking about the fact that it was possible to simply erase the stats). There were no third-party programs or even some kind of garbage from outside, it means no cheat. For this, no one bans. In vain just recently bought a subscription. Of course, if I knew that it would be so, I would not have touched this food.

it was shortage of experience, this type of intervention happened before, 3rd party programs are pretty much essential with mods, exploits are more related to unintended advancing methods

goodluck and until next world, or next big update

[Hasta]

Interest in the game is gone

I can't help but wonder what was sooooo interesting about being spoonfed literally thousands of stats daily? Also, please spare us the clumsy semantics. Bug, cheat, exploit - whatever you call it, that was an unintended mechanic, and you abused it, knowingly. So, please oh please whine some more about life being unfair to poor little you.

You know what you did, you deserve what you got. Too bad you were just one of the few inexperienced abusers who didn't have a backup plan and a golden parashute.

[Sethfire]

Can I just say thank you Jorb for nuking that MOTHERLAND shithole along with the rest of Never Neverland. Not just because its a NN satellite kingdom but the fact that it served only to block Hedgehugs from expanding east.. and as a result did not and will not ever have any buffs. Good riddance.

[Omnipotent]

I think people already sent Jorb the solution so it will be fixed.

The bug might be fixable, but the damage done to this world can never be undone. There are cheated items all over the place. Not to mention all of the cheated items they were able to save during their 24 hour notice to take their things and leave.

I have no doubt they are stuffing their face with more cheated food on their new mains as we speak. And now that they know how to avoid getting caught, it could be far more difficult to stop this from happening again. You know what they say, the scum rises to the top.

Knowing how things like this have been handled in the past, I know it's basically impossible for them to have caught and removed every single little thing they did. It's obvious to anyone who has actually played HnH for more than a few days that a player having drastically higher strength allows you to go deeper which gives you an enormous advantage to getting higher quality industry. Which in turn gives you an advantage in every possible way. To assume no long-term damage would be possible after an event like this is simply inane. The entire point of a persistent world like this is that everything is connected.

Just to take a look at one small part affected, imagine all the people that have been killed by these cheaters. They got screwed and didn't even stand a chance against cheated stats unless they had a serious player advantage (and nobody is stupid enough to try and 1v5+ people with this combat system). RIP all the days/hours spent working on those characters. The time all of those people lost cannot be easily replaced. And I highly doubt the devs have the time or capability to recover all of these lost things.

I understand why it would be advantageous to leave the current world up until we fix this bug and make some more siege changes. And I agree that we should fix things before starting the new world. But the only possible way I can see this being fixed after a massive exploit of this scale would be to start with a clean slate (W12), and to ban all players involved. Letting them continue to play while knowing that they have an exploit which allowed them to easily become the top players by a long shot in only a month is dangerous to say the very least. Even if you think you fixed it, because you do not know the cause of the exploit, there is no guarantee it has actually been fixed in its entirety. For all we know this can still be used to exploit trees, metal, and etc:.

Jorb & Loftar: If you, the dev's, seriously think nuking someones houses and walls is actually an adequate punishment for this gigantic of an exploit, then you guys seriously don't play your own game enough to actually know what is important. The walls and buildings lost would probably take less than a day to rebuild with a faction of their size. It's a slap on the wrist at best and shows you guys are too weak to actually dish out any real punishment. If they aren't completely retarded then anything they actually cared about was alt vaulted and hidden away in many different locations before you guys even saw it. Please try to consider how much time and effort people spend on your game, and then plan out your punishments accordingly. If you have a small minority of people ruining the entire game for the other 800+, then you might have to start thinking about removing the tumor. Otherwise the tumor might be all that you have left in the end when everyone else is sick of their shit. This wasn't the first time AD has cheated, and if history is any indication of the future, I doubt it's going to be the last time.

I say this because I respect the two of you and your game. And I hope for it to still be around in another 10 years. Best regards and thank you for the hard work.