Game Development: My Log has Something to Tell You

[Atamzsiktrop]

It wasn't identical at all though. Closer to it but still had most of current combat things in it (with exception of skills now being buffs to defence/attack bar instead of defences, which was a clusterfuck) and added more skills to use straight from the start, with very bad balance (it was a test server so that's okay).

I don't say they don't need to bring old combat back, I just wanted to shittalk some shitters that talk big and know nothing rly. I mean it would definitely be cool for me but they can do something even better, perhaps. Just stop spreading your nostalgia nonsense with no arguments to beat ours or basing them on completely outdated things.

[Grog]

How is that the systems problem? Easily fixed also. It's still an issue in Hafen btw.

That's my point. There is no actual combat.
I'd be interested how you'd "easily" fix it.

Same issue is present in current game.

Still not anything near actual combat, neither in old worlds nor here. Why would "people advanced in the matter" use that?

If you think the sign clipping makes combat non existant or something then I literally have no words for you. You're so wrong it's sad.

Fixes were already proposed by devs and people - no hitboxes for signs is the easiest one, but not necessarily best.

I'm not denying combat. I questions people's "advancedness" if they need to rely on four backups and wacky game flaws.

[Kaios]

In old combat system animals were like 10x more dangerous, on this world I was able to 1v1 bears in first week of the world and in legacy you needed like 300ish stats to actually do that, noobs had to hunt them from boat and they were happy cuz that was easy but time consuming. Here in hafen trolls even on -5 arent a challenge for someone with 200ish stats that you can get in 1 week with no effort. When mammoths were added to the game I was killing them in the 1st day with no effort and I even have recorded that.

I'm talking about new players bro, the ones that record the mammoth hunting videos where they barely scrape by that players like you make fun of and call them shit for not being able to do it as well as someone who treats this game like it's fuckin' counter strike (which I guarantee you play)

[Ozzy123]

In old combat system animals were like 10x more dangerous, on this world I was able to 1v1 bears in first week of the world and in legacy you needed like 300ish stats to actually do that, noobs had to hunt them from boat and they were happy cuz that was easy but time consuming. Here in hafen trolls even on -5 arent a challenge for someone with 200ish stats that you can get in 1 week with no effort. When mammoths were added to the game I was killing them in the 1st day with no effort and I even have recorded that.

I'm talking about new players bro, the ones that record the mammoth hunting videos where they barely scrape by that players like you make fun of and call them shit for not being able to do it as well as someone who treats this game like it's fuckin' counter strike

Noobs arent meant to be able to hunt a fucking mammoth or a troll, noobs are meant to die to boars and then become good enough to kill boars, then die to bears and become good enough to kill bears. If a noob that started playing 1 week ago can 1v1 a mammoth cuz the combat system lets him do that it means the combat system is bad, becouse its Haven&Hearth not a random MMORPG.

[APXEOLOG]

In old combat system animals were like 10x more dangerous, on this world I was able to 1v1 bears in first week of the world and in legacy you needed like 300ish stats to actually do that, noobs had to hunt them from boat and they were happy cuz that was easy but time consuming

Both current and legacy systems are exploitable. I think i can kill any animal except troll with 5 ua (at least i killed a deer with 3 ua at the first hours of the world)
But i actually think it doesn't matter. PvE can be balanced easily. If the real problem of the new combat system was PvE then it's kinda strange for me

[Atamzsiktrop]

I feel like animals are too easy in current system because of how powerful armor is. Definitely need some stats to beat them though and it's gonna be harder for newbies than people who have experience, of course, but animals being hard to kill is kind of a good thing too. Trolls are a joke in this game whereas in Legacy they were more of an achievement to kill solo (for some time at least).

Cliffs are easily exploitable with animals, Bunsey was killing bears for us with like 8 uac at the start of W9.

[Potjeh]

So how is this fabled W7 combat so much different from worlds 3-5? Because in those combat was all about exploity BS like alts calling thunder on you while you bloodlust for instant filling of attack bar. The system was never used as intended, so it's kinda hard to properly assess it without fixing ALL of the exploits, and by the time you do that it wouldn't resemble the original system at all because a lot of those exploits were in the very core of the combat system.

[Hasta]

the majority of any community or society will be always stupid and I cant fight with that.

Har har, Ozzy admits to suck in PvP with stupid people.

Seriously though, you "oldfags" somehow see that if someone is criticizing your obsession with legacy combat, he's automatically perfectly fine with current combat system. I, for one, don't like current PvP because it's linear and has very obvious choices with zero variety. But I don't want some dusty old system, I've played legacy for a while and didn't care much for such complicated and flawed combat. Calling people "stupid" just 'cause you were good in something a while back and now someone doesn't acknowledge that and doesn't want your "thing" to be reinstated, - it is, well, stupid.

[Kaios]

Noobs arent meant to be able to hunt a fucking mammoth or a troll, noobs are meant to die to boars and then become good enough to kill boars, then die to bears and become good enough to kill bears. If a noob that started playing 1 week ago can 1v1 a mammoth cuz the combat system lets him do that it means the combat system is bad, becouse its Haven&Hearth not a random MMORPG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WalNMib1cT0

[Ozzy123]

I mean I didnt see people complain about PVE too much, the endgame and PVP is what needs changes. Noobs wanted colorful instruments that they can play while roleplaying a wandering musician and they got these, now players that are actually propeling the whole market and balance in the game should get their PVP and endgame so we don't get bored and quit.