Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:01 am

Granger wrote:'report first, then exploit'.

thought that whole thing was taken down a while ago after some alpha guys went with "exploit first and then report" and to replace with "dont exploit, report".
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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Onep2 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:09 am

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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Archiplex » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:13 am

Tonkyhonk wrote:
loftar wrote:Sure, but I think it's fair to say that it's muddy enough that they ought to have made a report just in case, and that not doing so displays less-than-optimal judgment. If they are open to "experimenting" with game mechanics, it seems only fair that they ought to open to it both ways. ^^

whether it's muddy or not is your decision, however, is anything muddy enough to the point for you to officially encourage others to bugraid anyone in your game now?


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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby ArvinJA » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:14 am

Archiplex wrote:
Tonkyhonk wrote:
loftar wrote:Sure, but I think it's fair to say that it's muddy enough that they ought to have made a report just in case, and that not doing so displays less-than-optimal judgment. If they are open to "experimenting" with game mechanics, it seems only fair that they ought to open to it both ways. ^^

whether it's muddy or not is your decision, however, is anything muddy enough to the point for you to officially encourage others to bugraid anyone in your game now?


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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:19 am

is it my english? feels like people read "anyone" by a different context.

and to confirm arvin, i never play this game with raiders.
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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Astarisk » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:23 am

Granger wrote:Not anyone, only the ones who broke the alpha contract of 'report first, then exploit'.

Actually, this to us was a case of "What is there to report?". No bug or exploit happened, we spawned a character off a charterstone, and played the game by the mechanics implemented. Everything we did was a legally allowed mechanic with an outcome that should be expected, no manipulation. Everything worked in the manner expected. As Jorb's post pretty much says, this more of a C&I suggestion, and not a bug report.

We talked about messaging jorb several times before, and during it, but we couldn't really formulate something that wouldn't get a response, "Not a bug, will consider" or "Working as intended". And even then, since this is a time sensitive adventure, by the time jorb responds to us their security holes could have been fixed. No one in our group has a problem sending jorb or loftar a message when we encounter a bug, we've already earned a bit of capes throughout hafen by it.

We actually are probably the faction to most likely report any bugs or exploits, as you can clearly see several prominent members of the community touting their "keep it to themselves" policy. And for everyone who didn't publicly make those statements, there are many more who practice the same belief.

Well, now we have a newspaper if Jorb wants to keep up with the activities of Willy's Wizards x].

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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Onep » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:23 am

Tonkyhonk wrote:is it my english? feels like people read "anyone" by a different context.

and to confirm arvin, i never play this game with raiders.


No, your English is clear and coherent. Archi is disagreeing with us being considered a part of the entire player base apparently.
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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Archiplex » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:36 am

Onep wrote:
Tonkyhonk wrote:is it my english? feels like people read "anyone" by a different context.

and to confirm arvin, i never play this game with raiders.


No, your English is clear and coherent. Archi is disagreeing with us being considered a part of the entire player base apparently.


Misread it- partially to blame on being awake for too long, and partially due to reading another post nearby about the OP's punishment regarding targeting you guys.

If there was any decision to actually encourage "bugraiding" then we would have many more issues than the ones from this fiasco

In the end, it's not a difficult process to understand- If you find something that's questionable you're better off reporting it first and hearing back before proceeding- especially when it's used to circumvent a system already in place (visitor)/ to raid and ruin someone's base.

If you proceed, then you shouldn't be surprised if there is a punishment levied against you.
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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:42 am

Archiplex wrote:If there was any decision to actually encourage "bugraiding" then we would have many more issues than the ones from this fiasco

In the end, it's not a difficult process to understand- If you find something that's questionable you're better off reporting it first and hearing back before proceeding- especially when it's used to circumvent a system already in place (visitor)/ to raid and ruin someone's base.

If you proceed, then you shouldn't be surprised if there is a punishment levied against you.

if my memory serves, the last time ainran bugraided with horses (or at least the last time i was around), they got no punishment and i think the situation is the same.
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Re: Divine Judgment: The Case of Willy Potter vs. Tartarus

Postby boshaw » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:42 am

Tonkyhonk wrote:if my memory serves, the last time ainran bugraided with horses, they got no punishment and i think the situation is completely the same.

When did we bug raid with horses?
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