Game Development: Credobility

[loftar]

Edit; On checking, I'm crashing too. Not immediately sure why since the resource Jar should be there. Investigating...

Should be fixed now. Just a missing commit.

at the moment I assume all credos are available to one character and are not limited as in the link suggestion, you have to chose a path to follow ... but are you planning to head down that route with future development of the system?

All credos are available, yes, but the idea is that (especially with more ones added) it should be quite hard to catch 'em all given the increasing cost of doing that, unless you also die a few times in the meantime.

[Ysh]

This looks like an interesting idea, at the moment I assume all credos are available to one character and are not limited as in the link suggestion, you have to chose a path to follow ... but are you planning to head down that route with future development of the system?

In order to complete a Credo you need to complete 10 quests per Credo you already have, so 10 for the first Credo, 20 for the second, and 30 for the third, and so on.

I'm fairly pumped for future developments. The Credos will of course be organized in a skill tree, so that learning some unlocks others (Forager -> Lumberjack, Farmer, &c), and, given that this type of character development -- running quests -- isn't trivial to just slap a bot on and call it a day, we can potentially tie in some pretty crazy abilities the farther down the rabbit hole you go. There is also the possibility to tie it to the usual skills, crafts, builds, hearth magics, and all kinds of things, which could go a long way toward, again, some meaningful character differentiation.

Reading patch is good idea before ask question maybe.

[Granger]

We've been developing, and here's what's new.

a blast from the past

IMHO it would be a good idea to post such concepts prior to coding them, to get some discussion and feedback about them. Could save on stuff like:

[*] In order to complete a Credo you need to complete 10 quests per Credo you already have, so 10 for the first Credo, 20 for the second, and 30 for the third, and so on. The five special abilities of each Credo are linearly unlocked for every fifth of the total questline you complete. The number of quests you need to complete is reduced by ten every time you die, to the initial minimum of ten.
[*] Completed Credos are inherited in their entirety when you die.
[*] Initiating the pursuit of a Credo costs an amount of LP proportional, again, to the amount of Credos you already have, and the number of times you have died.

New meta for new characters: complete one credo, go swimming to reset to 10 quests, repeat.

[*] Fisherman: Increased speed when swimming.

Now a default prerequisite for combat characters, I guess.

Projectiles hurt animal qualities less.

Please define 'less'.

given that this type of character development -- running quests -- isn't trivial to just slap a bot on and call it a day

Please, don't tempt me.

[*] It is debatable whether quest running is fun enough

Remove the slap-in-the-face rewards ('relieved hunger by 0%' and similar) to make it less unfun.

archs of meaningfully related quests

As long as questgivers can be privatised (or slaughtered en-masse) this won't happen.

Thus, close but no Cigar.

[loftar]

New meta for new characters: complete one credo, go swimming to reset to 10 quests, repeat.

The idea is that it's enough work to get one credo that that shouldn't be worth it, but I guess we'll have to see.

[Redlaw]

I am highly invested in my current main, I doupt ill want to kill it to reset and gain ore credos... plus the fact you liely still gain some XP when you get it done helps a bit.

[Swordfire]

Why not add giant tree's like the great deku tree in "Ocarina in Time" maybe a "Ancient Windthrow" that is still alive?

He could request things a tree might actually want want like spring water or mulch or it might just open it's mouth and allow access to a dungeon with special shadow beasts

Why not make these suggestions in the suggestion board instead of complaining about it on the patch thread?

My intuition tells me that would be pointless

Just like in Wurm online the older senior players call all the shots new players are powerless to suggest anything

The point being I would have preferred to wait for a proper update than get interrupted by this

[Amanda44]

This looks like an interesting idea, at the moment I assume all credos are available to one character and are not limited as in the link suggestion, you have to chose a path to follow ... but are you planning to head down that route with future development of the system?

There is no intention to limit how many you can have, no. The link is several years old.

Brilliant, then yes, I think this will add quite a bit to the game ... ... but yeah quests do need a bit of work to make them more fun/less tedious, they are good in that they get you out and about, I like quests early game, , but once they end up being huge distances away you neither have the time or can be bothered for the rewards they offer at the moment.

[Ysh]

We've been developing, and here's what's new.

a blast from the past

IMHO it would be a good idea to post such concepts prior to coding them, to get some discussion and feedback about them. Could save on stuff like:

Small refinement like you suggesting is easy enough to make after concept is already coded up. If basic idea is some thing jorb and loftar is wanting, they are adding it now and fixing it later.

[*] In order to complete a Credo you need to complete 10 quests per Credo you already have, so 10 for the first Credo, 20 for the second, and 30 for the third, and so on. The five special abilities of each Credo are linearly unlocked for every fifth of the total questline you complete. The number of quests you need to complete is reduced by ten every time you die, to the initial minimum of ten.
[*] Completed Credos are inherited in their entirety when you die.
[*] Initiating the pursuit of a Credo costs an amount of LP proportional, again, to the amount of Credos you already have, and the number of times you have died.

New meta for new characters: complete one credo, go swimming to reset to 10 quests, repeat.

Possibly issue. But I think there is option for fixing if it is real.

[*] Fisherman: Increased speed when swimming.

Now a default prerequisite for combat characters, I guess.

I have seen some very aggressive men who do much fighting that can not swim at all. But yes, adding more perk to game requires to get some perk to be optimal builds. I think they call these ''content.''

Projectiles hurt animal qualities less.

Please define 'less'.

Not as much as before.

given that this type of character development -- running quests -- isn't trivial to just slap a bot on and call it a day

Please, don't tempt me.

Granger is big botting player? This is news to me.

[*] It is debatable whether quest running is fun enough

Remove the slap-in-the-face rewards ('relieved hunger by 0%' and similar) to make it less unfun.

Agree.

archs of meaningfully related quests

As long as questgivers can be privatised (or slaughtered en-masse) this won't happen.

Could move to other giver, but it is a bit not ideal.

Thus, close but no Cigar.

Please read whole patch before comment:

Implemented "Cigar", smokable, and curiosity.

[Amanda44]

at the moment I assume all credos are available to one character and are not limited as in the link suggestion, you have to chose a path to follow ... but are you planning to head down that route with future development of the system?

All credos are available, yes, but the idea is that (especially with more ones added) it should be quite hard to catch 'em all given the increasing cost of doing that, unless you also die a few times in the meantime.

I think that sounds good, I love a challenge!

[ven]

Best update since pathfinding.