Game Development: Map Rework

[vatas]

Speaking of improvements: why do we have menu option "Pick" for herbs? All custom clients anyway implements their own autopicking functionality. Just remove "Pick" option from herbs, there is anyway only one action for them.

I'm not objecting to this, but you can use your other hand to press "1" to select the "pick" option.

[Thaydi]

Speaking of improvements: why do we have menu option "Pick" for herbs? All custom clients anyway implements their own autopicking functionality. Just remove "Pick" option from herbs, there is anyway only one action for them.

I'm not objecting to this, but you can use your other hand to press "1" to select the "pick" option.

Accessibility when? QoL improvements consists of removing redundant or useless tasks, such as this one!

[Apocoreo]

"do I like that devs are working on that particular change instead of something else? Was it the most critical issue?"

Yeah I'm pretty satisfied. Having two maps with functionality split between added to the "alpha" vibe of the default client. A cleaner experience makes it easier to retain new players. While other changes could accomplish that better, in the last thread maps were thoroughly discussed. This lead to a clear communication of mutual desires between the player and devs, therefore an easy update to please everyone.

Now's the perfect time to suggest specifics to J&L and discuss it directly with them, if you want lightening to strike twice. Although tbh I wouldn't mind seeing where their whims take them next patch.

Here's a thought, if adding custom features to default is what's happening now, and thinking about what I personally want, how about that "Build Mode" discussed in the previous thread? How would people (including players and devs) feel about a small compromise? We could add the gridlines, bounding boxes, hiding objects, and turning off lighting/darkness effects, but have them all bound to a single feature/keystroke. So basically either you're larping with vanilla graphics, or when you're doing precision building or serious pvp you go full powergamer mode and temporarily turn the game ugly as sin.

[Enjoyment_2]

Now's the perfect time to suggest specifics to J&L and discuss it directly with them

that's the problem - let's fuck all that work done by hundreds of players to accomplish "my idea is on jorb's todo-list" and just lay the development on "someone said random shit in the right moment". seems like another proof we don't need C&I sub-forum at all

[Apocoreo]

It was a long conversation with multiple players expressing similar desires, rather than players debating over ideas like C&I or one player making a client, which is a whole different development can of worms. Not only that but it caught the attention and interest of the devs. I don't see why they wouldn't prioritize that, given the circumstances.

[loftar]

Speaking of improvements: why do we have menu option "Pick" for herbs? All custom clients anyway implements their own autopicking functionality. Just remove "Pick" option from herbs, there is anyway only one action for them.

Well, the reason is that I've tried to somewhat consistently apply the principle that non-reversible actions should have a flower-menu "confirmation" to them. I get that you can argue that the action of picking an herb isn't exactly of great consequence, but that's the reason.

i know taht if i open the big map, i lag a lot, would i lag now if i open my mini map?

I've never noticed the map window causing any significant (or hardly even any measurable) performance hit. Just for the record, is it on the default client that you're seeing this? Even with it covering my whole screen, the most I can measure is 0.51 ms of extra frame-time.

[shubla]

Speaking of improvements: why do we have menu option "Pick" for herbs? All custom clients anyway implements their own autopicking functionality. Just remove "Pick" option from herbs, there is anyway only one action for them.

I think it is nice to differentiate between just taking normal objects dropped in the ground and PICKING herbs.

[iamahh]

since update I can only move if I click on map or minimap

clicking on the ground will only work for a few secs then stops (default client)

[loftar]

since update I can only move if I click on map or minimap

clicking on the ground will only work for a few secs then stops (default client)

When that happens, it would help a lot if you could turn on click-debugging with the :clickdb on console command and do a click somewhere. That will produce three PNG files, click1.png through click3.png in your home directory; supplying those files, along with the information it produced in the "system log" chat, would greatly help debugging that issue.

[dafels]

Speaking of improvements: why do we have menu option "Pick" for herbs? All custom clients anyway implements their own autopicking functionality. Just remove "Pick" option from herbs, there is anyway only one action for them.

Well, the reason is that I've tried to somewhat consistently apply the principle that non-reversible actions should have a flower-menu "confirmation" to them. I get that you can argue that the action of picking an herb isn't exactly of great consequence, but that's the reason.

Well, the player that actually has to do the clicking doesn't really care about the underlying principles. Less clicks to do something = better from the player perspective. That is the absolute truth that you can't bend, but only to encourage.

Anyways, nice to see the default client, the best client getting updates finally.