Loftar & Jorb

[ramones]

U gotta test + use to know them in first place. Only thing is how u use them. If you hurt others along the way, thats bad and that is abuse ofcourse, but if you just test it for the sake of the test itself and then report, then I don't think its anywhere close to abuse.

[LadyV]

U gotta test + use to know them in first place. Only thing is how u use them. If you hurt others along the way, thats bad and that is abuse ofcourse, but if you just test it for the sake of the test itself and then report, then I don't think its anywhere close to abuse.

Ramo I don't want to be Devil's advocate but if you only wanted to test why not use a low quality well? Say a q11 or 12 so you can notice improvement just as easily. If you discover and exploit by accident that is not abuse. However it was stated it was being tested so that is using it and thus abuse.

I don't want to argue the point but there is a different point of view on it and I made my point.

[Xcom]

I like how people are discussing whether its ok to use or be punished about bugs at this stage of the game. In frikin 5-6 months they are removing this game from existence and replacing it with a brand new game. Why give a flying fuck about bugs and abuse specially ones that are so insignificant as well shifting. There are game mechanics like numen that ruins the quality market and ruins mining. Then we have the legal bugs that somehow gets overlooked over and over cause they are to lazy to fix it. Also hidden game breaking bugs that can ruin this server which also gets overlooked.

When a new bug is discovered that benefits multiple people in a positive way. Also isn't damaging the game like wall jumping or vault building everyone is all happy that loftar was in a nuking mode to punish the bug abusers? If you think they don't exist I can confirm we did PM them about such bugs and had the PMs ignored. I hope you all have a nice day when that Q200 B12 smashes in your head as Qwater is no more free. You need to buy it from the extortion traders on the market.

I reported multiple bugs prior to numen and even after reporting numen I didn't get any response. Only got a response from Jorb after the numen had sent the server into auto shutdown and had it come back up with reset numen. The well shifting I discovered day after posting the numen post. Was I going to report the bug, hell no. Not after seeing how reporting leads to jack squat. Instead I told people about it, which I truly regret by now, for it to have leaked others and in succession some jackass amongst those reported it.

I still have respect for Jorb as he cares enough to respond to PMs and generally communicates with people. He at least cares about this community. But Loftar cares about this community as much as his left nut. If everyone upped and left he would probably not even notice it. All he cares about is coding, day in day out. This last nuke was just a way for him to show up to show us whos boss.

[martenx]

I have send them another bug yesterday, no pm's back....

[jorb]

Most bugs that come to our attention do get fixed, at least game breaking/otherwise important ones.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Most bugs that come to our attention do get fixed, at least game breaking/otherwise important ones.

Yet, you do have a certain propensity for only being noticed when you emerge to splash all the kids in the pond.

[jorb]

You bagaboose, you lose.

[Sarge]

You bagaboose, you lose.

We know that. We're asking: "What about those that bug test?"

[Jackard]

Anger is universal.

Dev your own game if your so pissed. Granted your grievances are valid, but if you want something changed and it isn't handed to you do something about it.

working on it

[Robben_DuMarsch]

You bagaboose, you lose.

Well, there might be some reasonable frustration based off of that methodology as its applied.

You might *want* "You bagaboose, you lose." The reality is more like:

"You bagaboose, the bagaboose is reported to Jorb and Loftar, the bagaboose is determined by Jorb and Loftar to be punishable bagaboose, Jorb and Loftar have a method that allows them to easily determine the perpetrators of the bagaboose, and Jorb and Loftar care enough to deliver punishment, you lose."

There are a lot of conditions before the "lose" kicks in. I have no doubt you have some internal guidance, an inherently reasonable manner of determining when to drop the hammer or not. However, the lack of frequency and consistency of this punishment is evidenced by the flourishing of most bagaboosers; bagaboose of all forms is ubiquitous.

It makes it look arbitrary, it makes it feel arbitrary, and it really hurts those that are already hurting. However, I understand you can't police everything, and the draconian response is a semi-effective deterrent. So, I understand your methods. I just wish you would strive for something more ideal than dropping the guillotine on a few of the peasants in the hopes that it will keep the others in line.