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unable to log in after server move/update

Postby kazgar » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:44 pm

Hi,

Just saw about the server move (and the large amount of players) and thought i'd join in the fun. so i hit the play button to log in, and it starts downloading the client, but then crashes with a Haven error

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java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sun/net/www/protocol/https/Handler
   at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
   at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
   at java.net.URL.getURLStreamHandler(Unknown Source)
   at java.net.URL.<init>(Unknown Source)
   at java.net.URL.<init>(Unknown Source)
   at java.net.URL.<init>(Unknown Source)
   at haven.Config.<clinit>(Config.java:57)
   at haven.MainFrame.main2(MainFrame.java:206)
   at haven.MainFrame.access$100(MainFrame.java:34)
   at haven.MainFrame$5.run(MainFrame.java:257)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)


Also tried pacho's client and it crashes with a error as well

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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby kazgar » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:45 pm

java console log has

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Reading certificates from 31202 http://www.havenandhearth.com/java/haven.jar | C:\Documents and Settings\test\Application Data\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\50\7b3c8ef2-3c810d0d.idx
Reading certificates from 556896 http://www.havenandhearth.com/java/haven-res.jar | C:\Documents and Settings\test\Application Data\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\58\7eaf08fa-443981e5.idx
Reading certificates from 59165 http://www.havenandhearth.com/java/jogl/jogl.jar | C:\Documents and Settings\test\Application Data\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\19\12e44d93-2eb87435.idx
Reading certificates from 31202 http://www.havenandhearth.com/java/haven.jar | C:\Documents and Settings\test\Application Data\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\50\7b3c8ef2-3c810d0d.idx
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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby loftar » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:48 pm

kazgar wrote:
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java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sun/net/www/protocol/https/Handler

I shan't bet on it, but that line strongly indicates to me that your Java installation is broken somehow. Could you try reinstalling Java?
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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby niltrias » Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:25 pm

Shant, shant you?

Heh. you saw my response on the Japanese topic in the Inn thread, no?
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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby loftar » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:22 pm

niltrias wrote:Shant, shant you?

I lol'ed. :)

But then I serious'd. I really cannot understand why "shan't" became obsolete at all. I mean, what would you even reasonably replace it with? "Shouldn't"? "Wouldn't"? None of those are remotely as precise as "shan't" in these situations.
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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby kazgar » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:39 am

reinstall of java fixed it, weird, dunno why it broke in the first place.
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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby Chakravanti » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:56 am

loftar wrote:
niltrias wrote:Shant, shant you?

I lol'ed. :)

But then I serious'd. I really cannot understand why "shan't" became obsolete at all. I mean, what would you even reasonably replace it with? "Shouldn't"? "Wouldn't"? None of those are remotely as precise as "shan't" in these situations.

This is a curiosity of linguisity cultural evolution I've observed myself. What it is replaced with is 'won't' or 'will not'. THe linguistic evolution of 'shall' being 'will'.
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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby loftar » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:05 pm

Chakravanti wrote:What it is replaced with is 'won't' or 'will not'. THe linguistic evolution of 'shall' being 'will'.

That is an interesting observation, though I question parts of it. Etymology-Online places the following distinction between "will" and "shall", with which I agree, and which is the reason why "shan't" works much better than "won't" in the context in which I used it:
etymonline.com, on 'will', wrote:The implication of intention or volition distinguishes it from shall, which expresses or implies obligation or necessity.

I agree with you that "shall" generally has quite a bit more of an archaic feeling to it and seems like it has been taken over gradually by "will", however; and I wonder how and when that started happening.

I may be turning paranoid, but I cannot help but wonder if it isn't thanks to some post-modernistic twist, like 'It's just my own personal volition that I don't, hence I say "won't"; to say that I "shan't" would imply that there are some objective standards of conduct by which I could abide, which obviously cannot be true. Heck, I'm no racist!' ;P
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Re: unable to log in after server move/update

Postby Zizi » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:06 pm

Long: skip if not interested

loftar wrote:
I may be turning paranoid, but I cannot help but wonder if it isn't thanks to some post-modernistic twist, like 'It's just my own personal volition that I don't, hence I say "won't"; to say that I "shan't" would imply that there are some objective standards of conduct by which I could abide, which obviously cannot be true. Heck, I'm no racist!' ;P


I would strongly agree with this, that the loss of the word shall in the English language is a linguistic evolution triggered by a cultural evolution. You could argue that the sibilant sh sound being harder to pronounce clearly and to hear easily was ripe for modification. However what little I've read about history indicates to me that a century ago obedience, duty and other virtues like this were paramount whereas now they are secondary at best. In the 1800's I'm sure a defense against excessive brutality could be automatically defended by citing "obedience to orders" whereas nowadays soldiers are being taught to consider their officers orders in light of the articles of war and are required to refuse to obey them. (How well this works in practice is another story.)

You can find numerous examples of similar changes where authority is not automatically recognized. Children for example used to be taught to be "respectful to their elders and betters". Now they are taught "not to talk to strangers" and it would be a tricky concept to try to explain to a six year old who a "better" was. It used to be a concept that needed no explaining.

As a culture we no longer agree on a objective standards of conduct the same way our recent ancestors did. Put you in a debate with a lawyer from 1810 and the basic assumptions behind both your reasoning would differ immensely. He would likely argue that there was no possible way that you could use your own judgment, that it would never be remotely as sound as the collective judgment of the divines, jurists and masters who had come up with these standards of conduct. Your belief that you have even the ghost of a chance of making these judgments would be put down to the lack of a specific virtue in you: Humility. He would likely explain the circular nature of your delusion: Who says you, of all people, are wise enough to decide for yourself? You do! Whereas your side of the argument might be: Who says I should obey authority? The authorities do!

But what puzzles me is your reference to not being a racist. I don't know where evaluations of race entered into your thoughts.
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