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Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Óðinn » Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:42 pm

Cattle dies, kinsmen die, you yourself die.

I am not a Norse native, but I have a deep interest in Norse culture and viking ages. So, when I read the runestone after spawning as a faerie, I was enchanted by it. I had only heard of the Hávamál but never actually researched it. So, naturally, I was going to research this sentence. I translated it myself, with help of a Swedish friend I play with. The translation seemed wrong so I tried translating it from Icelandic instead of Swedish, and I came up with the correct translation.

Granted, I thought fé was a fae at first, but after looking closer I recognised it as 'vee' which is Dutch for cattle, and since our historical ties I figured this must be a remnant of those ties. So, I recognised it as cattle.

I then searched the sentence on google (I had left the spawn by then, and I didn't recall the Nordic sentence, so I googled the translation) and came up with the full proverb. It's part of the Gestaþáttr or in other words, the laws on how to treat visitors. Besides some rules on how to treat others it also gives some advices on how to deal with being a visitor (for instance, always spy around when you enter a house because you never know if your enemy is sitting there.. practical advice for HnH too? Maybe.)

I discovered quickly that a part of the saying/rule is left out.

Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama; this is all in the runestone.

Ek veit einn, at aldri deyr, dómr um dauðan hvern. This was left out by Jorb and Loftar. Perhaps it's coincidence but this translates to 'I know one thing that never dies, the judgment of a dead man's life. I am assuming it's coincidence because it didn't fit on the stone, but it's pretty eerie considering it's.. striking relation to HnH. I found it oddly fitting that this was left out, after all, judgement of a dead man's life often gets forgotten in this game. Perhaps not by the Gods, but by other players surely it does.

To celebrate my favorite era, the Viking era, and to celebrate that a saying of the Vikings made it into the game, I made my own runestone for my small community that I am playing in.

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Bare is the back of the brotherless man. It's made to remember that without eachother we are nothing but barebacked hermits. (Not that there's anything wrong with hermits ;) )

If you want to read more about the Hávamál and the laws and examples given by Óðinn I suggest you start by reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1va ... l#Contents It's wikipedia so it lacks many details but it's as extensive as you'll get it without paying for a book or anything of the sort.

Thanks Jorb and Loftar for including this, it really made my day after I figured out what it was. Hail Óðinn!
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Jesus_Smith_Nandez » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:22 pm

Nice post, here's a reply
I was curious about the opening runestone, but quickly forgot about it after I started playing. Props for doing research on it
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Aperson » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:38 pm

not the most auspicious start, but fitting nonetheless
good on you for doing the research, I enjoyed reading this
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Óðinn » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:45 pm

It's things like this, and finding random ruins or runestones that tell a story without telling a story, that make HnH one of the most enjoyable games I've played. I haven't found that in any other games.
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Redkat » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:48 pm

ty for research. I did wonder if it was related to faeroe or icelandic.
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Óðinn » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:51 pm

It seems more related to Faeroe but I think that Icelandic never really moved that far away from Faeroe so it might have just been easy to translate. :p
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby spectacle » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:52 pm

Hávamál is basically a how-to guide for living in a clan-based iron age society, like that of the old Norse. A lot of it's wisdom is directly applicable to life in the hearthlands.
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Massa » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:11 pm

I know a kid who used to always type in Scandinavian languages, mostly Norwegian but some icelandic too.

he was 14 from california.

I think this game is filled with those kids of people.
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Re: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama;

Postby Óðinn » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:13 pm

spectacle wrote:Hávamál is basically a how-to guide for living in a clan-based iron age society, like that of the old Norse. A lot of it's wisdom is directly applicable to life in the hearthlands.


Well, lots.

But not all. Laws of hospitality are forgotten by many (offer salt and bread, and other food, if it is not offered, that's an insult and you are expected to act on it, etc.) :P
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