H&H Community Review

[xTrainx]

Can you name a game written in Java which doesn't experience performance issues? Particularly one as complex as Hafen

minecraft

[Jalpha]

Minecraft has rectified its performance issues particularly on large maps with lots of structures? I wasn't aware, it's been a long time since I played it last. In an aside that game lead to my discovery of Hafen.

In any case that would offer some hope.

[MagicManICT]

Minecraft is just the largest, and yes, performance keeps improving, though I still don't think it could be at where it should be. (Given what it is, it's going to be hard to get it to perform exceptionally in any language.) I can name at least a few others. The games I've played from Three Rings in the past (Puzzle Pirates, Spiral Knights) have had some specific issues, but weren't complete frame rate death.

Most of the well performing Java games I know use the open source Lightweight Java Game Library, but it has its limitations. Mostly it's updated by the devs that use the engine, though it had its start before as a means for developing cross-platform games before Unity and newer tools became available.

[jordancoles]

Runescape

BOOOOOOOM

[Jalpha]

Runescape has performance issues.

Well, again it's a game I haven't played for near on a decade now and in that time the core mechanics of the game haven't seen much change so all they have had to work on has been performance issues really. So you may be right, but it's taken some time and effort.

[Headchef]

Runescape mostly has server issues, not really performance.

But to be honest you cannot compare it with HnH since it has been running for a long time with a huge team of people being able to eat of it for years so they can get way more done.

Think HnH is very great considering it's only two people.

[sMartins]

Think HnH is very great considering it's only two people.

I think exactly the same. Loftar did an awesome work.

[shubla]

Can you name a game written in Java which doesn't experience performance issues? Particularly one as complex as Hafen. It might be fine for phone games but that's about it.

It's a complicated way of programming, it's way too bulky and needs a lot of stuff going on to make basic stuff work in conjunction. It's a bloated programming language from the perspective of the machine attempting to process and render it. Ther is (or seems to be) very little allowance for streamlining and efficiencies which would enhance performance.

It takes a lot of the work out of programming I guess as a lot of the groundwork is done for the programmer so you don't have to build an engine from scratch so to speak but that comes at the cost of performance.

No, I'm not a programmer and my understanding of programming is cursory but that doesn't change the simple fact that complex Java games run like shjt.

InB4 Java fanbois appear trying to deny this and roast me.

Yeah, why do people code in java?
Why not just code in machine language for maximum efficieny! Dumb devs! Why use programming languages when they are so inefficient compared to machine language. get brains! coders!!111

[Jalpha]

I'll pretend you aren't trolling and point out that I addressed this already in an earlier post where I mentioned that it makes things easier for the programmers because a lot of the groundwork has already been done.

This is really a wider complaint of mine about java, not hafen specific. I seriously wish a new a lot more effort would be put into a new language which resolves the issues java has insread of just every new programmer contributing to the bloat.

I was looking into becoming a programmer but with the focus and future of the field having so much focus on java I lost all interest.

[stya]

I was looking into becoming a programmer but with the focus and future of the field having so much focus on java I lost all interest.

My turn to pretend you're not trolling, millions of programmers don't use Java you know?

https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/developers-demographic-survey#sm.00000urbx9n13idfby3rpud777tli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering_demographics

And yes I'm a programmer and I use Java