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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:37 pm

mvgulik wrote: Like "education". Although telling voters they should be educated is probably a no-no for most news media companies. (Probably due to some "conflict of interests" situation)

It's hard to say to someone that has completed 12 years of school, even completed some college or trade school, "you need to be better educated." What's wrong with the level of education they have already received? This is, of course, related to the nose dive of American Education starting in the 70s and 80s and the continued, slow decline through the 90s until we reached the "No Child Left Behind" education laws that tied federal education funds to school performance... as in the worst performing schools and districts, the ones that need funding the most, got education dollars pulled if students couldn't perform well on tests. Well, that's affected anyone of about the age 24 or younger with all their years in school, with anyone under 30 being impacted somewhat. (I'm figuring about the age of 5 for starting school. That bill was passed in 2003 if I recall right.)

Yes, people need to be better educated. It, ultimately, comes down to the failure of governments to effectively fund schools. Conspiracy there? Maybe. The worst funded schools seem to be in the reddest states, but then the reddest states are generally the poorest states as they still rely heavily on agriculture, mining, oil, or otherwise not as reliant on "higher education" workforces; low population density that comes with agriculture and mining heavy areas; etc, etc.

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MagicManICT wrote:An interesting look at US politics and the recent election by The Guardian: The US was lucky to get Trump – Biden may pave the way for a more competent autocrat

Interesting reading.

Glad someone else liked it. The decline of the Roman Republic looked much like this. The Senate was slowly frittering away their power until Caesar seized control. We can wake up and smell the covfefe, or we can just let ourselves "be great again" until nobody knows who we are.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Jalpha » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:12 pm

Education is a failure globally. To begin with schooling is designed to produce a product. The students, upon graduation, are to be that product. It is not about encouraging discovery or individual thought. You recite information provided to you. This is not intelligence, it is memory and conformity. Things only grow worse with University. Higher education does not need to be provided to the masses, most can do perfectly well from TAFE education (USA calls this community college I think). However universities can make money by selling education that most people do not need and will not use. Out of necessity the standard of education was reduced so that the majority of students could make it through the full four years, paying their fees the whole way along. "Lowering the bar to the lowest common denominator."

Mainstream education produces morons. Self education produces outcasts. In any case the reality is that the kitchen needs more cooks than chefs. I understand the necessity of this. I simply lament the limits imposed on STEM students, who I strongly believe need a higher tier of education than what they are receiving. We are not yet at the stage where everyone can be an artist or scientist or engineer. Unfortunately. (AI will do a much better job in the field of medicine, human doctors will be largely phased out.)

So some small consolation there. We all all facing the same issues with education.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby dafels » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:25 pm

Jalpha wrote:AI will do a much better job in the field of medicine, human doctors will be largely phased out.)

I am sure AI can already do a better job than most of the doctors, except the ones that have to do phyisical stuff like surgery and fix physical trauma and so on.
Ask the patient to fill out a form, symptoms, the blood analysis etc... and whatever other medical data doctors need these days. I am sure the AI can already predict better treatment and medication for the problem already.

Hell, you can even google most of the stuff and you can find out whats wrong with you without consulting a doctor. You just need the doctor for prescriptions, but it is kinda discussable too, since alot of the prescription medication can be substituted with natural medicine.

I think society is just not ready to the possibility of consulting an AI for medical advice.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Zentetsuken » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:52 pm

I don't think the article mentioned education for a pretty clear reason.
It was an opinion piece, and the opinion of the writer was that the election and general popularity of Trump was due to his success in appealing to a political extreme and actually making moves like one.
A political chameleon just keeps driving the country in the same direction, which in America's case is basically debt, war and ideological segregation.

Trump created an absolute militia of humans with confrontational politics and demagoguery.
This made it incredible easy for fringe dogmatic groups like white supremacists, right wing extremists, qanon conspirators, extremist christians and so on, to ally with him on an ideological level.
There are doctors, lawyers, politicians, scientists, STEM workers all over the world who are part of these extreme fringe outlier groups.

I don't think any amount of education would change political views.
There is no "smarter way" to vote in a political system like America's.
It's all about appealing to the greater masses, and Trump managed to do this in such a way that there are millions of people taking to the streets, willing to kill their neighbors, sleep overnight infront of vote counting areas, lie through their teeth about fraud and plan acts of literal domestic terrorism to support him.

The support for incredibly likeable people like Obama ended with tears and good memories, nobody was ready to lynch their neighbor if they didn't support him because he was not a political extremist, he did not impassion people like Trump.

Politics is almost in opposition to education, political movements and ideologies succeed because a good politician and good messages will inspire people to act against their better judgement.
It stirs and stimulates people, gets them in to the street, gets them arguing with their family members, gets them parroting shit they don't even understand, lying and aggressing.

If politics was a meaningful enterprise, educated countries would be voting on the ethics of genetic editing, basic human rights, genetic modification and animals and plants for various reasons, spending massive amounts of time and energy combating climate change, space explorations, exploring the controversial sciences that will push us forward as a species.

are 73 million americans dumb as fuck? Sure, undoubtedly
but are politics a product of the education system, or is the education system a product of politics?
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Jalpha » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:00 pm

dafels wrote:I am sure AI can already do a better job than most of the doctors, except the ones that have to do phyisical stuff like surgery and fix physical trauma and so on.
Ask the patient to fill out a form, symptoms, the blood analysis etc... and whatever other medical data doctors need these days. I am sure the AI can already predict better treatment and medication for the problem already.

There is a reason Neuralink is implanted by a robotic surgeon.

The boomers may not be ready but I am. I do not need a doctor who is interested primarily in overfilling his appointment book for the week/month/year at the expense of his patients wellbeing. Nor am I interested in malpractice due to human error.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby crowe » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:56 am

Zentetsuken do us a favor and point out which one in this photo is you
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... 0152189954

Zentetsuken wrote:Trump created an absolute militia of humans with confrontational politics and demagoguery.

Thought was you communists pretend they are women to invade women bathrooms to molest them since they could never get laid?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/5-times- ... stigiacomo
Stop pretending you are smart while attacking others child we already did this dance once...

Zentetsuken wrote:This made it incredible easy for fringe dogmatic groups doctors, lawyers, politicians, scientists, STEM workers who are part of these extreme fringe outlier groups.

No crack addict you are THE EXTREME nutjob not the rest of the world.

Zentetsuken wrote:It's all about appealing to the greater masses, and Trump managed to do this

Wait nutjob I thought he was only the small "fringe" not main stream normality of decent people?
Do you know the words you use as you try to attack people and make fool of yourself?

Zentetsuken wrote:The support for incredibly likeable people like Obama

https://www.salon.com/2010/04/07/assassinations_2/
Smoking some more of that Obama drugs?
https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/barack-ob ... president/
I am sorry crack addict those are "Qanon" news outlets right?? lmao

Zentetsuken wrote:spending massive amounts of time and energy combating climate change, space explorations, exploring the controversial sciences that will push us forward as a species.

I see you sucking down politician Al Gore lie.
Al Gore tried to get the dinos to stop driving cars too and buy his expensive plastic garbage https://www.livescience.com/44330-juras ... oxide.html

Lets ask a "scientist"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJFb_P2j48

Zentetsuken wrote:are 73 million americans dumb as fuck?

Fairly sure just you crack addict commie.

Keep throwing money at "climate change"
Some day all that climate change money Obama spent on super yacht he bought with 150,000 a year paycheck as president... will change the nature of the planet.
Bet its electric right???
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD5VViT08ME


I mean I sit and listen to low IQ drug addict commies like you say all the time trump is a oilarchy ... do you know what the word means??? Do you?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... amily-tree

I mean did you see the photo of Hunter Biden going around? Likely you did this one?
It was one of many including videos pulled off the "laptop that doesn't exist"
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Part of these image was cut off cause he was raping under age girl at the time.

Ashely his sister is just like joe biden and her brother too .. crack addicts.

Joe Bidens wife use to be his best friends wife till he had affair with her.

I listen to half wits like you all the time thinking you are real smart so you attack others calling "THEM" uneducated...
It reminds me of when some 12 year old would get on youtube and call religious people "brain washed"...
The problem is you are so blind to your own ignorance you can't see it.

Want to talk about nuclear physics again genius?
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Zentetsuken » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:09 pm

crowe wrote:triggered qanon armed with youtube videos


why does it always feel like reading a george carlin joke when these people rant?
Like I'm waiting for the line where the talent agent asks what the name of the act is, and at the end of crowe's post he proclaims

"THE ARISTOCRATS!"

anyways, I'm not touching any of this shit with a 10 foot pole, but thank you for proving my point
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby crowe » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:25 pm

Zentetsuken wrote:I got triggered by real facts from national news outlets cause I am 12 year old in mommies basement

True enough

Hey kiddo when the topic was physics why do you think I know so much?
Maybe cause I am one of those actual things called "scientist"?
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby dafels » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:32 pm

are you okay buddy
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby crowe » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:39 pm

dafels wrote:are you okay buddy

nah I don't think he is, I think i triggered him and another low effort kid..

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You made fool of yourself as normal is what you did toddler.

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Don't worry 12 year old I'll mock you in voice chat in minute when you dodge

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Still waiting
Lonely in this voice chat and I waiting...
Still waiting...
had to just mock ruski kid while I wait.... to poor to have spackle on wall

So exactly what I expected.
Russian kid that was to scared of joining discord so had someone else do it... the kid I mocked above
Made fun of some toddlers and calling it day.
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