It ain't fair!!!!11one

[Ants]

Yeah, people are only pretending to be racist to troll people. That's probably true.
It is. Saying anything positive about whiteness is a really easy way to stir the pot and rile people up. Example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_OK_to_be_white

I don't agree with this, but let's assume for the sake of argument that you're right. Almost no one says it and actually means the content of the words. Despite that, the only people who use it are racists and people who want you to believe they're racist. And apparently OP who is upset that people blanket those two groups together. Is it now my responsibility to take the effort in differentiating between people who do and don't mean it in good faith so people like OP don't get upset that linguistics is "unfair"?

No one says it and means the content of the words because those who do immediately get called bigots. That doesn't mean white pride is inherently racist.

I don't think anyone is upset that linguistics are unfair. I, for one, am loving the drama.

It's still not socially acceptable for a hetero person to call someone who is LGBTQ queer, so I don't think I agree. It's been mostly reclaimed by the people it was used to marginalize.

It's acceptable if you know the person labels themselves queer. People in the USA rarely use queer as an insult anymore, it's archaic.

Man and woman are other words that have shifted in meaning. Back in the day man meant someone with a penis and woman was someone with a vagina but in 2020, it's not acceptable to imply that transwomen aren't women or transmen aren't men.

Here's some other words that have changed:
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/618 ... -over-time

[Burinn]

No one says it and means the content of the words because those who do immediately get called bigots. That doesn't mean white pride is inherently racist.

Are you American? I'm American and white. I know plenty of people who mean exactly what you think they're meaning when they say it. And I've lived in the north most of my life. It's a dog whistle; a bad one.

It's acceptable if you know the person labels themselves queer. People in the USA rarely use queer as an insult anymore, it's archaic.

Man and woman are other words that have shifted in meaning. Back in the day man meant someone with a penis and woman was someone with a vagina but in 2020, it's not acceptable to imply that transwomen aren't women or transmen aren't men.

Here's some other words that have changed:
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/618 ... -over-time

I don't think this really changes anything. If the only people using white pride are racists and people who want you to think they're racist to provoke some kind of reaction, why should I or anyone else change our minds about people who say it?

[SmackMcBacon]

muh rascism, white pride means evil stuff and that's that!

With all your dribble you again prove my point.
Like I tried to show in the beginning; It's associated with bad stuff by 'the majority' and therefore always wrong, only 'marginalized' groups are allowed to.
Exacly what I tried to get across, finally we're there

Is it now my responsibility to take the effort in differentiating between people who do and don't mean it in good faith

You go and git 'm girl!

[Ants]

No one says it and means the content of the words because those who do immediately get called bigots. That doesn't mean white pride is inherently racist.

Are you American? I'm American and white. I know plenty of people who mean exactly what you think they're meaning when they say it. And I've lived in the north most of my life.

American and biracial. In my part of the country people rarely use the word queer negatively.

I don't think this really changes anything. If the only people using white pride are racists and people who want you to think they're racist, why should I or anyone else change our minds about people who say it?

Because not everyone who says it is racist. Example: me.

The meaning of a phrase depends on the surrounding context. If you don't understand the context it's fair to make an assumption, but you must accept your assumption may be incorrect. White pride is not always about white supremacy.

[Burinn]

muh rascism, white pride means evil stuff and that's that!

With all your dribble you again prove my point.
Like I tried to show in the beginning; It's associated with bad stuff by 'the majority' and therefore always wrong, only 'marginalized' groups are allowed to.
Exacly what I tried to get across, finally we're there

Is it now my responsibility to take the effort in differentiating between people who do and don't mean it in good faith

You go and git 'm girl!

I'll keep talking to the person who wants to have a conversation in good faith. Thanks for the input though

[SmackMcBacon]

My pleasure, come again if you need more teachings

[xTrainx]

it's ok to be white

[jordancoles]

"White pride" has negative associations and just because you can say black pride or hispanic pride, or whatever, without raising many eyebrows doesn't change that. If you go around saying "white pride" you will likely be socially isolated into the niche groups that say the same thing as you do (usually racists/hate groups). It's interesting that white pride took a negative spin while other types of pride are encouraged, but that's just how it is. A swastika is just a symbol in the same way as a cross is just a symbol, but one will cause social problems for you if you go around with it on your neck (or armband).

Maybe just drop it and accept the social norms for what they are

[Ysh]

Maybe just drop it and accept the social norms for what they are

Given some social norm that exist in various place in history, this seem like bad advise to give.

[Ants]

"White pride" has negative associations and just because you can say black pride or hispanic pride, or whatever, without raising many eyebrows doesn't change that. If you go around saying "white pride" you will likely be socially isolated into the niche groups that say the same thing as you do (usually racists/hate groups). It's interesting that white pride took a negative spin while other types of pride are encouraged, but that's just how it is. A swastika is just a symbol in the same way as a cross is just a symbol, but one will cause social problems for you if you go around with it on your neck (or armband).

Maybe just drop it and accept the social norms for what they are

How people will react depends on many factors. Obviously you shouldn't go around talking about controversial topics at work but on the internet, who cares?

A hundred years ago, social norms dictated that African Americans should be segregated. Sometimes social norms aren't something we should stand for.

Swastikas won't cause social problems everywhere, btw. Swastika hate is a western thing.