What ruins this game...

[dageir]

Hard to beat people who bot 24/7.

This is why you should bot too!

Ah! Now I get it! Thanks.

[Minion]

Make botting part of the game.

Offical client should be released with a scripting engine.
Equal ground then.

[MagicManICT]

only complaining with no solution to the problem.

You can't stop it. Nobody notices it in WoW because the numbers are low. The threat of having an account (or even all accounts they can associate with the players) permanently banned (and deleted if I recall right) is enough to keep the vast majority from even trying. The fact that they have fought with bot makers for years is proof that winning the war is impossible. Blizzard, with their massive resources, are one of the few to report actual victories, legally and with EULA and TOS rules, without resorting to using anti-hack software, which is often draconic and problematic getting to run for anyone in the Americas and Europe (because it's not accepted by the public generally).

But they still haven't stopped all the bots, and they (Blizzard-Activision) are one of the three, four largest game publishers.

[dageir]

Ok, so how do I get a virus free bot then?

[APXEOLOG]

only complaining with no solution to the problem.

You can't stop it. Nobody notices it in WoW because the numbers are low. The threat of having an account (or even all accounts they can associate with the players) permanently banned (and deleted if I recall right) is enough to keep the vast majority from even trying. The fact that they have fought with bot makers for years is proof that winning the war is impossible. Blizzard, with their massive resources, are one of the few to report actual victories, legally and with EULA and TOS rules, without resorting to using anti-hack software, which is often draconic and problematic getting to run for anyone in the Americas and Europe (because it's not accepted by the public generally).

But they still haven't stopped all the bots, and they (Blizzard-Activision) are one of the three, four largest game publishers.

Really? Please. WoW auction (mining/harvesting resources at least) is 80% bot-based as far as i know. Yes, some people feared to be banned, but mostly, you just don't need to use bots in WoW. Because the only things you can do in this game are raids and pvp. Obviously you don't want to use bots for this, because, then, why the hell do you play this game at all? If someone wants to get some good gear it's cheaper to get some gold from gold sellers, then to buy a bot license.

[talon00302]

Really? Please. WoW auction (mining/harvesting resources at least) is 80% bot-based as far as i know. Yes, some people feared to be banned, but mostly, you just don't need to use bots in WoW. Because the only things you can do in this game are raids and pvp. Obviously you don't want to use bots for this, because, then, why the hell do you play this game at all? If someone wants to get some good gear it's cheaper to get some gold from gold sellers, then to buy a bot license.

Absolutely correct, the problem with haven is that most of the things that need done are indeed not "fun" at all. You start by buiding your infrastructure which is mildly fun, and then afterwards you log in to do mindless tasks for hours on end, then put on curios and log off. You can hunt and explore yes, but it only stays exciting for so long along with the risk of losing your character. Bots don't ruin the game but simply make it more maintainable and sustainable to the average player. We can already see this because most of the playerbase has already died off and quit. The game needs some sort of content besides permanant death fighting and quality grind which leads to yet more mindless tasks and hours of not being able to do what you want to do.

The only remedy I can see is something similar to battlegrounds in WoW. Make a new area with the charterstone system. Click a runestone to queue solo or as a party. Have brackets of Full and Capped stats that don't lead to death but take you back to this room. The capped bracket would simply be fun for the casual player who wants to log into the game and would maybe keep more player retention as they wouldn't be so worried about dying, while also keeping the game at its roots with permanent death in the normal world.

[Pupsi]

the risk of losing your character.

best part of haven and hearth

[pedorlee]

the risk of losing your character.

best part of haven and hearth

Arent you with Dis?

[Pupsi]

Arent you with Dis?

Permadeath make fantastic gameplay expirience i never saw in any other game, oblvsly not this world because pvp is broken.
I would like to see old combat system with new features like "combat discover".
And no, i was with A.D since w5

[Jalpha]

I agree with a certain line of thought within this thread.

Botting should be allowed. The community should have sufficient resources at their disposal (ie. game mechanics) to enable them to manage the issue on their own. I've said the same for numerous other games.

Is this yet another thread leading back to raids and pvp?

Anyway, investing time and effort toward making a bot or allying with people who can give you access to them should have a risk/reward balance instead of only a reward balance. The devs efforts to take things into their own hands are destroying the fun of Hafen.

Instead of having flots spawn an octopus and edels spawn a pack of wolves (an act likely to break most bots considering the randomised combat decks) they have instead elected to effectively remove them from the game entirely.