Discussion with J&L about how long the world will last

[sabinati]

q100 ore and coal on level 5 and people are mad because all of their HARD WORK up until now is RUINED because apparently coal and ore are the only things

[uncleseano]

q100 ore and coal on level 5 and people are mad because all of their HARD WORK up until now is RUINED because apparently coal and ore are the only things

Well I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it

[Kaios]

It's not like people weren't walking around with q200 bone saws to make boards in a q90 kiln before at two months in.

So you want to go back to that then? The pace was slow, for sure, it needed an increase but not to this extent. I mined after they nerfed the extreme high quality to their adjusted formula and it seemed just right to me, which would have been perfect in combination with the other changes.

Come on man we didn't go with a roll back because of all the people against it but as you can see...

What was the big issue with the patch?

...most of them don't even understand what's going on.

[molenga]

It's not like people weren't walking around with q200 bone saws to make boards in a q90 kiln before at two months in.

So you want to go back to that then? The pace was slow, for sure, it needed an increase but not to this extent. I mined after they nerfed the extreme high quality to their adjusted formula and it seemed just right to me, which would have been perfect in combination with the other changes.

Come on man we didn't go with a roll back because of all the people against it but as you can see...

What was the big issue with the patch?

...most of them don't even understand what's going on.

Nope, just that one guy that did not read the update notes.

[mamotromico]

I have no problem with metal qualities being over the top, it just changes how the game is.

Ok, but changes it how? In what way did quality raising change for you? Is it easier now? Harder? Are you part of a developed village or are you a hermit? The perspective does matter.

I'm part of a village. It seems I don't get it why this is such a big impact for you. Whoever had access to ores easily will still have it, with a bump of quality, and whoever was really behind will still be behind. It made a huge jump on one side of the technology race, but it affects everyone. Besides, we are having constant updates, if they implement some kind of armor penetration this might stop being an issue at all.

We used to have q19 bars at most, and now we are finding q50 ores. Whoever had higher q metal than us probably will have it now too, so I don't understand why this is such an negative impact, or why this would turn previous work meaningless. If you find a q100 carrot seed does this mean every carrot you planted before was a waste of time? I don't see it that way.

[Kittysong]

The point of saying it is in alpha is that mechanics can and will change at a moments notice, along with complete wipes, critical bugs that can cause major loss for the players, etc. You've been warned, and failure to heed such warnings really is on the individual's shoulds, not on the devs where being people allowed to use alpha or beta grade software. (Issues such as causing viruses, data compromises, and such aren't related to this, of course.

you seem to miss the point. the fact that i called it an alpha means i'm well aware that bugs happen and nothing is permanent. My concern was the lackluster response to the community's concerns it show lack of planning and management. which is a big red flag when investing in anything. People are no longer just "being allowed" to play, they are paying to play (in a since to support the development of the game). also the whole "failure to heed such warnings really is on the individual's shoulders" is like saying "your fault in investing in this" not the best way of wording things when looking for investors.
Mismanagement is the leading cause of alpha development going under or being abandoned, and with this game style would leave those that spent hundreds of dollars with nothing but nerd rage.
As it is i don't see things ending well, and don't feel like it's wise put in a sub longer than a month or putting in a sub at all even.

[nuker22110]

I have no problem with metal qualities being over the top, it just changes how the game is.

Ok, but changes it how? In what way did quality raising change for you? Is it easier now? Harder? Are you part of a developed village or are you a hermit? The perspective does matter.

I'm part of a village. It seems I don't get it why this is such a big impact for you. Whoever had access to ores easily will still have it, with a bump of quality, and whoever was really behind will still be behind. It made a huge jump on one side of the technology race, but it affects everyone. Besides, we are having constant updates, if they implement some kind of armor penetration this might stop being an issue at all.

We used to have q19 bars at most, and now we are finding q50 ores. Whoever had higher q metal than us probably will have it now too, so I don't understand why this is such an negative impact, or why this would turn previous work meaningless. If you find a q100 carrot seed does this mean every carrot you planted before was a waste of time? I don't see it that way.

perhaps i may offer you an alternative opinion. Assume that i have been spending lots of time from the start of w8 with the goal of getting steel . i grinded my ass off to get it to a reasonably high pre-patch quality ~50 avg. With the introduction of this patch, suddenly all my steel are now crap wall grade q. This renders all the effort i have put into grinding the q up to the patch moot.
Furthermore, in my person opinion, IF because of this patch the lifespan of w8 is shortened(IF), it would also render any additional effort/time i put into the game from this point forth moot.
Hence, while i greatly enjoyed the game, especially seeing the fruits of my labor, I am beginning to question whether i should just wait for w9 before playing again.
just my thoughts, reasonable people will disagree.


Also, another issue i feel i should raise is that of the decision making processes of the devs. From my viewpoint after people discovered the crazy HQ ore, many people were asking for a restart or a rollback. The strange phenomenon being that the very people who got the ores themselves asking for such action. During the downtime, while the devs were contemplating action, they unilaterally decided to just keep the ore q. This could be summed up by what another player mentioned, that the devs 'went ahead and did the worst possible option'. Again, i feel i should quantify that these are from my viewpoint and from the information that i have(for all i know the devs could have a whole think tank which weighed the pros and cons) and that the devs previously have been incredibly receptive to player suggestions.


thanks for reading

[CaptainMidget]

while i greatly enjoyed the game, especially seeing the fruits of my labor, I am beginning to question whether i should just wait for w9 before playing again.

This is sort of what I thought, But im a farmer. What I suggest you to do, is continue playing but get more into the PVP side of things. Try and find the most effective and efficient way to get your character to a certain point, so when W8 comes around, you'll be knowing exactly what to do. Faster then others at that aswell. Even if PVP isnt your style, the experience you get may as well save your god damn ass one day man.

[Tonkyhonk]

perhaps i may offer you an alternative opinion. Assume that i have been spending lots of time from the start of w8 with the goal of getting steel . i grinded my ass off to get it to a reasonably high pre-patch quality ~50 avg. With the introduction of this patch, suddenly all my steel are now crap wall grade q. This renders all the effort i have put into grinding the q up to the patch moot.

you guys all speak as if you had never encountered/discovered a higher quality node in the middle of the world before.

[Kittysong]

I am beginning to question whether i should just wait for w9 before playing again.

That sounds like a good idea i think i'll wait til w9 let this first set of hiccups pass and
see how the devs recover and adapt over the next few months.
I just have too many concerns to start putting a lot of money into this.
though i can understand the pricing (sweden income tax, ouch) $75-300 to invest on a game for a year of play
is still a bit much for some folks when you compare to other games on the market.

note: i'm the type of girl who has to justify every dollar i spend on myself. so i take any investment seriously.(stingy only when i come to my needs and interests)