US Elections 2020

[MagicManICT]

Not convinced Sleepy Joe has actually won yet, tbqh.

We won't know this until January when the Senate certifies the electoral votes after the new Senate members are sworn in. Until then, I'm not making any bets on who has actually won the election. For all we know, it could come down to a tie and relying on the VP to make any tie-breaker decisions... but then if it takes long enough Pence is no longer the VP and can't make such decisions anymore since there's only two weeks to certify the electoral vote and the time his term as VP ends.

If it all comes down to a Contingent Election... well, it's hard to say, other than there are more red states than blue states. Even that has an unpredictable outcome the few times it has been used in US history.

Why isnt the vice pres the house representstive instead of whatever role mitch mconnell plays? That dude is a slug

the Vice President is known as the President of the Senate. The role is purely observational unless there is a tie vote, and then he gets to cast one. There are a few other times when the VP has a more important role, and those are usually things requiring joint sessions, and then the VP sits as the chair over the joint session. The rest of the time, it pretty much works like Parliament--the majority elect a leader to act as chair.

[jordancoles]

Why isnt the vice pres the house representstive instead of whatever role mitch mconnell plays? That dude is a slug

the Vice President is known as the President of the Senate. The role is purely observational unless there is a tie vote, and then he gets to cast one. There are a few other times when the VP has a more important role, and those are usually things requiring joint sessions, and then the VP sits as the chair over the joint session. The rest of the time, it pretty much works like Parliament--the majority elect a leader to act as chair.

How Mitch can have his role is still just crazy to me. He is biased towards his own party, and how can that be allowed? Isn't the person who makes the final decision meant to be impartial? In that case I feel like the VP is more suited for his job, since if they can't be impartial, at least they can reflect the current elected leadership ?

[shubla]

How Mitch can have his role is still just crazy to me.

Its nothing after you realize all the other stupid things that US has in its elections.
For example the whole electoral system is just dumb. Some states have more electors than others, and you get all of them if you get 50.000001% of the votes on that state.
Then comes the voting by mail. They could just vote via internet if they vote by mail.
I'm still shocked especially for the fact that the vote by mail won't be counted if the signature is not "similar enough" to your signature that you gave in some earlier elections. And some states check this similarity by computers, some by people, both ways are way too error prone. The amount of rejected ballots due to suspicious signature vary by demographic. Age, ethnicity, education etc. all seem to matter on how many % of the ballots are rejected. In some states 6% of ballots via mail are rejected. When the margin between winning and losing candidate is fraction of a percent, this 6% of rejected ballots will basically decide who wins the elections.
I think that this is why Trump made clear for his supporters to vote in person. Because supporters of Trump seem to be a bit less educated rednecks, so their votes via mail are more likely rejected due to poor signature. But in real democracy education of the person who votes, his ability to write signature etc. shouldn't matter on whether his vote is counted or not..

There are other problems with voting by mail as well. Such as some mailman deciding to throw away votes from certain areas which are known to support X party .

And I'm not shitting about the signature part: there has been some academic research done into these computer programs verifying signatures, and even the best of them will get 10% error rate for false rejections... And for spotting forgeries they are not any better with false negatives.

[MagicManICT]

How Mitch can have his role is still just crazy to me. He is biased towards his own party, and how can that be allowed?

Are you saying that Boris Johnson isn't biased towards his own party? One of the big differences between the US constitution and UK style parliament is the establishment of the three offices of government, and how they work. I don't always agree with how it was done, but the reasoning and arguments behind the changes were and still are sound. I, at least, am not in the position, both in power and knowledge, to be able to argue something new at a level that I can say "We need to stand up and make this change." I just know enough to know that something isn't quite right, but clueless as to what the actual solution might be. Several good ideas have been proposed... all require the actual men and women in congress to vote and pass such measures... can't have constitutional changes without that part.

[shubla]

can't have constitutional changes without that part.

US constitution should be completely reworked. It's full of all kinds of dumb things that were maybe relevant 200 years ago but not anymore.
Few examples:
1. right to bear weapons
2. illegality of quartering soldiers in private homes

Latter one being quite funny.

[Thaydi]

1. right to bear weapons.

Shubla triggering americans in one phrase.

[shubla]

1. right to bear weapons.

Shubla triggering americans in one phrase.

But it's true.
Why should people have guns? Government has the military and police departments etc. that will protect people from bad things.
And if government turns against the citizens, well, the situation will not be solved with guns. For example, people in middle east have lots of all kinds of weapons available, but they are still in misery year after year, guns do not solve problems.

For self defense, guns are a bad option. It is the harshest form of self defence that one can do, and will most likely result in death. Badly trained people will not know how to use it. And if the attacker also has a gun, he will kill you first, and then there is little use from the gun that you have.
Knives etc. are different from guns. You need close range, easier to run away or defend against, more difficult to kill multiple people. You get people that will kill dozens, hundreds of people with guns, but when was the last massacre where the preparator killed 100 people with a pocket knife?
And of course then there are all of the accidents caused by guns. Serious injuries and deaths when guns are not properly kept. Yeah its too bad that few people ruin fun of the others, but if people knew how to behave, we wouldn't need any laws. There are other safe fun things that you can do in life than shoot hay bales with guns,.

[BlackKopcap]

1. right to bear weapons.

Shubla triggering americans in one phrase.

But it's true.
Why should people have guns? Government has the military and police departments etc. that will protect people from bad things.
And if government turns against the citizens, well, the situation will not be solved with guns. For example, people in middle east have lots of all kinds of weapons available, but they are still in misery year after year, guns do not solve problems.

For self defense, guns are a bad option. It is the harshest form of self defence that one can do, and will most likely result in death. Badly trained people will not know how to use it. And if the attacker also has a gun, he will kill you first, and then there is little use from the gun that you have.
Knives etc. are different from guns. You need close range, easier to run away or defend against, more difficult to kill multiple people. You get people that will kill dozens, hundreds of people with guns, but when was the last massacre where the preparator killed 100 people with a pocket knife?
And of course then there are all of the accidents caused by guns. Serious injuries and deaths when guns are not properly kept. Yeah its too bad that few people ruin fun of the others, but if people knew how to behave, we wouldn't need any laws. There are other safe fun things that you can do in life than shoot hay bales with guns,.

How to forbid culture identity? Don't say it to people in Texas. But i'm agree with you, civilian people must keep guns in own home, without option to bear it wherever they want. Some traditions need to be left behind.

[Vigilance]

Government has the military and police departments etc. that will protect people from bad things.

this is a sentence that if you wrote it two years ago people would say today that it aged badly

nice fucking hot take you absolute and utter muppet. i trust my government to keep me safe as much as i trust the drug dealer on my street to not fucking rob me if he got a good opportunity to do so.

[AntiBlitz]

shubla telling us the republicans are uneducated rednecks, meanwhile democrats entire existence is propped up on socialist systems for the poorly educated and dregs of society. Thats literally propaganda of the left feeding you this. When you sit upon your holy thrown of power being an educator at a university, many a mindless children will regurgitate false information as if its gospel. This is why we are overflowing in this country with bleeding heart liberals begging for socialism so bad. Theyd rather plummet our economy while sitting behind a 2 million dollar family estate, driving a rolls royce, with the newest apple smart watch strapped to them, and shout through twitter how horrible climate change is before they board their flight to Miami from St. Petersburg. Simply because they dont understand, but by god they know better then all the uneducated rednecks how to run a country. Lets destroy thousands of jobs, limit corporate production, increase corporate tax, provide free health care, free education, increase taxes, increase foreign debt holding, decriminalize hard drugs, limit freedom of speech, and destroy principles of constitutional law because we simply dont like it.

Destroy thousand of jobs by crushing the oil and coal industry. Limit steel production, transportation of products, bi-products of goods, etc. This whole green car thing is such a crock of shit. Most American energy is not green, green energy itself doesnt exist with our current technology, its literally a fucking lie. You cant just create a solar panel out of thin air. You have to dig for product, transport product, build it in a fucking factory, transport the product again, and sell it. You think they perform any of this process with the help of like solar-powered diggers or some shit? We can try all we may, but we will never produce enough energy to run an entire country full of electric vehicles without oil, coal, and nuclear assistance.

Heavy regulation on production to limit global warming on companies that cannot afford what they are asking, therefore are driven out of business. Meanwhile, mega-corporations continue to rock on, disrupting and destroying small business owners.

increased corporate taxes. Wanna know why thousands of businesses left? heavy corporate taxation and regulation. Wanna know why they came back during a Trump administration? lowered corporate taxation, and incentivized tax cuts to create American industries and more jobs.

No matter what any Biden supporter claims, the 400k+ tax hike only is a lie. Taxes were across the board higher during the Obama-era administration until Trump tax code took affect.

Heavy corporate taxes means industries and businesses leave again, which makes us indebted yet again to purchasing goods from foreign companies. Not to mention, Biden is bed with the Chinese about ending heavy tariffs and renegotiating trade deals with them.

Again, the electoral college system is fine, and completely supports a parties existence. Dissolve the electoral college, and you might as well give the baton to the democrats for the next 100 years. They outnumber everyone because of the major cities, which are typically heavily democratic.

im not telling you democrats are evil, just absolutely flawed in logic. You cant help everyone, and you cant infringe upon others to force people to help. If YOU want to help, then donate your money, but i dont want to, so dont tax me to force me. Thats fucking garbage, im not paying for peoples needles, and methadone because they created a problem in their ran cities. If we had money just falling out of our asses, i wouldnt care what they did, but we dont, so quit with the socialist ideology. We have more pressing issues to deal with, instead of nurturing that.