US Elections 2020

[painhertz]

Not convinced Sleepy Joe has actually won yet, tbqh.

Jorb, as per the usual, far more on top of things than the rest of you mutts.

[Jalpha]

Destroy thousand of jobs by crushing the oil and coal industry. Limit steel production, transportation of products, bi-products of goods, etc.

To be replaced by jobs in other sectors. Restoring our environment will come with a hefty labour cost.

Most American energy is not green, green energy itself doesnt exist with our current technology, its literally a fucking lie. You cant just create a solar panel out of thin air. You have to dig for product, transport product, build it in a fucking factory, transport the product again, and sell it. You think they perform any of this process with the help of like solar-powered diggers or some shit?

Good points. I'm actually heartened to see some people realise that the "green" agenda is still dominated by big industry. Our emissions and the destruction of our environment is continuing. It will only to buy us a brief period of reduced emissions and in its current format the green movement is almost totally ineffective.

We can try all we may, but we will never produce enough energy to run an entire country full of electric vehicles without oil, coal, and nuclear assistance.

I can't speak for the USA but I know Australia could. In any case the USA is one of the countries heavily invested in the fusion dream. In another decade we will know for sure if the scientists are selling you snake oil.

Heavy regulation on production to limit global warming on companies that cannot afford what they are asking, therefore are driven out of business. Meanwhile, mega-corporations continue to rock on, disrupting and destroying small business owners.

Sorry. Corporate anarchy is already upon us. This is the transition. Nobody can stop it now. Covid was one of the last nails in the coffin of small business. Big business will not be paying. You will be.

increased corporate taxes. Wanna know why thousands of businesses left? heavy corporate taxation and regulation. Wanna know why they came back during a Trump administration? lowered corporate taxation, and incentivized tax cuts to create American industries and more jobs.

At the end of the day my superannuation and your 401K (or whatever its called, if you are a USA citizen) are to blame. We as individuals insist on ever increasing corporate profit margins. Each one of us is part of the problem.

Again, the electoral college system is fine, and completely supports a parties existence. Dissolve the electoral college, and you might as well give the baton to the democrats for the next 100 years. They outnumber everyone because of the major cities, which are typically heavily democratic.

It seems very strange to an Australian. We have the AEC and it works well. It seems a much more honest representation of the will of the people than the USA system.

But... I am not brainwashed by the Democrats/Republicans system so I see things differently.

[MagicManICT]

@Antiblitz: can you show me any clear statements in your post that are based on reality, and not the right-wing propaganda machine? Stupidity exists on both sides of the equation. The rednecks that make up a lot of the right aren't as stupid as they're made out to be. They're just different personalities that don't have a need for a lot of intellectualizing.

If you want to talk about loss of jobs, everyone clearly agrees automation is the only real cause of job loss. Everything else is just shuffling the deck and requiring people to work in a different industry. Sucks to be the guy with only a high school education being stuck trying to go back to school to learn to do electrical systems work when all they've done is pipe fitting on oil rigs. Even worse, it'll suck to be the person that can't do better than get a service job at Wal-Mart because they can't complete the training needed to get a new job paying equivalent to what they made before.

As far as climate... sure, there's a cost to create "green energy" up front, but over a 10 or 20 year time, what's the cost compared to burning coal and oil? Can't just look at the "here and now" cost and think that everyone is wrong. It has to be analyzed out over the lifetime of the equipment, just like real businesses do. Can't produce oil, either, without all that up front cost, and then you have the environmental impact of fossil fuel burning. So, tell me which is better?

And yes, we can run the entire country full of electric vehicles on wind, solar, and tidal energy. Geothermal is coming up, too. It's not like we're going to be turning all the coal plants off tomorrow. It's going to take another 10-20 years to get all the changes completed. Electric vehicles are already twice as efficient as they were 10 years ago, and so far Moore's Law is proving true in that sector, too, so they'll be about twice as efficient in a few more.

Another point: US oil and coal are going to be out of business within 50 years, anyway, as the cost of producing "green energy" is going to be so much cheaper around the world, it won't be worth it to even pump oil or dig coal out of the ground for energy use.

So... would you rather have a government that is thinking ahead about what the country is going to need in 10 years, or a government that wants to stick their head in the sand, and when the future gets here, we're so screwed that the entire country's economy collapses like a 3rd world currency during a revolution?

Taxes: what companies have left due to taxation? you know the list? I've seen a few around. Many of those left under Reagan and Bush. More of those companies left (jobs, anyway) under NAFTA. How many have come back or are planning to come back from the Trump tax rules? I haven't seen a list for that, and haven't really heard about any that are planning to move back... and it has more to do with "local laws" other than taxation.

You cant help everyone, and you cant infringe upon others to force people to help. If YOU want to help, then donate your money, but i dont want to, so dont tax me to force me. Thats fucking garbage, im not paying for peoples needles, and methadone because they created a problem in their ran cities. If we had money just falling out of our asses, i wouldnt care what they did, but we dont, so quit with the socialist ideology. We have more pressing issues to deal with, instead of nurturing that.

There's places in the world where this is still the standard. I don't want to live there. I don't think you do, either. We might romanticize the old west, but it was some nasty business. If you were a laborer, you worked 80 hours a week, and probably didn't make enough to support a family of 4. If you couldn't land a job, it was turn to crime or starve. About 2/3 of the country were farmers, so they could at least subsist on the crops they grew, even if there wasn't a market for whatever cash crops they could grow--wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, etc etc. Now, only about 10% of the country are farmers, and only about 20% of the country lives where they could reasonable sustain their families on the land they own.

And could you give us the "pressing issues?" Immigration? Terrorism? Russia? China? Overpopulation? Jobs? Energy?

For what it's worth, we're the one country in the world with money falling out of our asses, if any can be described as such. We're one of the most wasteful countries in the world, too, which is why it is such an apt description.

It used to be that certain issues weren't left or right... just issues--equality, labor, industry, military, environment, health, etc. Somehow, since Nixon, there has been this increasing creep of partisanship. I saw a lot of this same name calling and bickering in the early and mid 80s. (Check out comic strips like "Doonesbury" and "Bloom County;" newspaper and magazine editorials of the time from the more extreme ends.) There hasn't been this level of partisanship since the Civil War. And it's where we're headed... and just like in the 1860s, the industrial centers will win the war... which are nearly all Blue this time. (Actually, I'm going to say it started post-WWII with McCarthyism... and Nixon was there on his team.)

But jorb is right. Joe hasn't won yet. There's going to be a lot of legal bullshit going on, and it has already started. Unlike in 2000, unless a major SCOTUS ruling is made about the legality of counting certain votes in specific states, Pennsylvania to be exact, Trump can't win. Several challenges have already been made before vote counting started, and the ruling was given to follow state law as it is written. There's also the possibility that someone challenges other laws, such as the Electoral College.

There's the very real possibility we'll be inaugurating nobody in January, and being lead by Acting President Nancy Pelosi.

I'm starting to wander mentally, so I'll stop here for now. i'm not saying the left is right, I am not saying the right is wrong. I'm saying think about the actual issues and figure out what the real experts are saying, both researchers and economics experts, and try to balance out what the solution might be. This level of thinking is worse than trying to follow a chess match between two masters, though. I don't blame anyone for not believing in things like climate change, the changing levels of technology, and all that. It was hard enough for people to wrap their head around the fact that the Earth isn't the center of the Solar System, let alone the galaxy or the universe.

[crowe]

shit, people might even start wearing masks and respecting women too

Is that really you our fav racist pedo uncle Joe with a new nick name "zente"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI1xf7Ji000

You lefty's love snoops right?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden ... gle-quote/

I mean Joe Biden is a literal KKK member...

Robert Byrd ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOEwxZIFh_M

Ernest Hollings ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Hollings )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZM1r4jPPRA

Strom Thurmond ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAV9fg30xyE

Accuse the other side of what you do.
And the exact reason non Americans should stay out of American politics cause they don't get the running gag of the "diversity" democrats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_a7dQXilCo

We can try all we may, but we will never produce enough energy to run an entire country full of electric vehicles without oil, coal, and nuclear assistance.

I can't speak for the USA but I know Australia could. In any case the USA is one of the countries heavily invested in the fusion dream. In another decade we will know for sure if the scientists are selling you snake oil.

There is already green energy.
The same energy system drug addict hippies fight against.
It is called Nuclear Power. It is the cleanest energy source on the planet more clean than solar or wind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6rilA4uTlQ

Again it all brews down to uninformed people trying to pretend to be informed.
Its okay if you are not rocket scientist or don't know the facts
But when you start to pretend you do just to boost your ego contrary to evidence... than you are just being a biden supporter.

[dafels]

We can try all we may, but we will never produce enough energy to run an entire country full of electric vehicles without oil, coal, and nuclear assistance.

I can't speak for the USA but I know Australia could. In any case the USA is one of the countries heavily invested in the fusion dream. In another decade we will know for sure if the scientists are selling you snake oil.

There is already green energy.
The same energy system drug addict hippies fight against.
It is called Nuclear Power. It is the cleanest energy source on the planet more clean than solar or wind.

Have you ever heard that the nuclear power produces tonnes of nuclear waste that contaminates the ground for thousands of years or the next nuclear accident like Fukushima to happen is just a matter of time? There is nothing clean about the nuclear power, except you " informed" normies being brainwashed by the same nuclear power organisations that it is actually clean so these greedy fucks could fill up their greedy asses with cash.

The first agricultual revolution was a terrible mistake and trying to argue with people is a bigger mistake.

[crowe]

Have you ever heard that the nuclear power produces tonnes of nuclear waste

The nuclear waste is reused and filtered out of the heavy water ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water )
That the nuclear rods are submerged in to create new nuclear rods till there is no nuclear material left.

Remember the comment about ignorance and ego above?
I suggest rereading it.

[dafels]

I wonder why ALL THESE nuclear waste dumping grounds even exist and why are they even being constantly filled up? Why did they dump radioactive waste in oceans and why is it banned now and now they have to resort on inground dumping of nuclear waste? You can jerk off about some brainlet recycling all you want, but the concrete facts that the nuclear waste dumping sites are being constantly filled up are the ones doing the real talking. If you say nuclear energy is clean you're talking out of your ass.

I think you suggesting me to read about Ego is a sign that you're the one that actually do some studying about it instead of talking out of your petty ass.

[crowe]

I wonder why ALL THESE nuclear waste dumping grounds even exist

Same reason people use to not recycle plastic or metal.
It is a process to recycle the nuclear material just like recycling anything else.
Any other questions sherlock?
In reality those toxic dumps are just gold mines waiting to be harvested for power.

https://www.westernjournal.com/green-ac ... ar-panels/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/col ... agles.html

[Jalpha]

I will explain why nobody is investing in nuclear anymore.

It is not because nuclear is unsafe even though it is unsafe (plebs should not and cannot be trusted to prevent catastrophe, ignoring natural disasters). It is not because it produces toxic waste which is an expensive burden on future generations (boomer attitude begone).

It is because nobody is going to invest heavily in fission nuclear when we are supposedly so close to the fusion dream becoming reality. Everything is a stop-gap until fusion is real. Anyone who invests heavily in fission now will not be able to afford fusion. Nuclear anything is very bloody expensive.

I am almost totally uninterested in having radioactive gasses spinning in a fragile magnetic field anywhere near me. There will always be those who overestimate our ability to control such forces. Just look at the past.

[shubla]

And yes, we can run the entire country full of electric vehicles on wind, solar, and tidal energy. Geothermal is coming up, too. It's not like we're going to be turning all the coal plants off tomorrow. It's going to take another 10-20 years to get all the changes completed. Electric vehicles are already twice as efficient as they were 10 years ago, and so far Moore's Law is proving true in that sector, too, so they'll be about twice as efficient in a few more.

But what will you do when the sun is behind clouds and its not windy?
Buy batteries from elon musk? I don't think so. This is a major problem that we still have with these.

There is already green energy.
The same energy system drug addict hippies fight against.
It is called Nuclear Power. It is the cleanest energy source on the planet more clean than solar or wind.

Not actually.
People often don't realize that uranium is literally stuck on the stone. Mining it takes surprising amount of energy. And if consumption of uranium continues, we will have to only go deeper to dig it... Which requires more energy.
Maybe they can start using electric drills and machines at the mining ops? Dunno.
You also cannot deny all of the other problems that nuclear power has. Risk for accidents is low, but if one nuclear power plant in suitable location was to have major meltdown, it could render half of europe completely uninhabitable and result in .
Then there are political problems, like are you willing to build nuclear reactors to iran, north korea etc.
And then the biggest problem of all: COST, building a nuclear powerplant is ridiculously expensive. They have been building this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant in Finland for 15 years, it was to be opened in 2009, but it has still not been opened, cost? Over 8 billion (so far). Original estimation was 3 billion...
Yeah and then there is the problem of storing the waste somewhere. So far the best method seems to be just to dig a deep, very deep hole somewhere where there are no earthquakes or such, and just dump the waste in it and hope that no one will in 300 000 years accidentally dig it up. Most countries are not doing that though, they just stockpile the waste somewhere, some countries send it to other countries which will just stockpile it somewhere instead of properly dealing with it.