Toxic Buildup

[ErdTod]

The internet does not provide a possibility to punch your interlocutor in the face, and thus became a place where everyone feels safe enough to be toxic (salty, rude etc.). At the same time, internet users became hardened by constant bullying, swearing and being abused by lots and lots of random people - their teammates in MOBAs and shooters, fellow commentators on any web platforms, etc. Unfortunately, HnH forums aren't an exclusion, and even though the community is relatively small, it is quite and quite toxic, and the more public the person is, the more bad attention he/she gets.

Yes, constantly reading abusing comments addressed to you makes you tolerant to them, makes you ignore them better and better. But they don't fade away entirely - every smallest abuse leaves a tiny bit of a toxic buildup in your consciousness. And after a while, this might burst out in an unpredictable way.

Now, why do I say all that? I urge you - yes, you, dear reader - to think thrice next time before commenting how shitty Jortars ideas, patches, fixes, mechanics or whatever else are. Devs of this game are indeed hard-skinned for such things, but nowadays you can see that sometimes Jorb bursts out, protecting himself from piles of toxic comments. Being toxic to someone on the internet is easy - too easy, - but this will not make anything or anyone better. Contrary, rude comments on the mechanics are not a constructive criticism, and are not useful in any way. Each one will only do a tiny bit of mental damage to a developer of a game that you like so much. And if you don't like it - then why do you care, why are you here at all?

Don't be rude to people.

[Alitis]

Could not agree more my friend. Congratz for writing this.

[shubla]

[Uriel]

+1
Got your back Jack (JLo)

[Avu]

What a bunch of sprucecaps!

Sorry couldn't help it.

I'm certainly guilty of being a dick and my only excuse is the game could be great muuuuuch greater than it and my conclusion after 10 years is that of the characteristics of jlo that what makes this game great is only sabotaged by their other half. I don't see this ever changing. Ever. I just forget for short periods of time play a bit get invested then get hit with the same stuff that always sooner or later happens. They waste time on yet another combat/siege update that ultimately fails, they make something everyone pretty much hates, slap on the wrist punshiments on repeat offenders etc... and then I remember get temporary mad. And then quit until next world or hor many worlds it takes for me to remember why.

[Kaios]

So when I ask a question because I don’t understand something and jorb responds with “are you dumb?” who is being toxic?

Stickman makes a post regarding the issues of their divine intervention and how they weren’t accomplishing anything by giving that group a day in advance, how far the abuse of their stats spread, etc. which he was right about all of and still jorb replied to him in the most childish way possible.

Yeah, sometimes the devs and jorb specifically are given a hard time but they also bring it upon themselves occasionally.

[overtyped]

The internet does not provide a possibility to punch your interlocutor in the face, and thus became a place where everyone feels safe enough to be toxic (salty, rude etc.). At the same time, internet users became hardened by constant bullying, swearing and being abused by lots and lots of random people - their teammates in MOBAs and shooters, fellow commentators on any web platforms, etc. Unfortunately, HnH forums aren't an exclusion, and even though the community is relatively small, it is quite and quite toxic, and the more public the person is, the more bad attention he/she gets.

Yes, constantly reading abusing comments addressed to you makes you tolerant to them, makes you ignore them better and better. But they don't fade away entirely - every smallest abuse leaves a tiny bit of a toxic buildup in your consciousness. And after a while, this might burst out in an unpredictable way.

Now, why do I say all that? I urge you - yes, you, dear reader - to think thrice next time before commenting how shitty Jortars ideas, patches, fixes, mechanics or whatever else are. Devs of this game are indeed hard-skinned for such things, but nowadays you can see that sometimes Jorb bursts out, protecting himself from piles of toxic comments. Being toxic to someone on the internet is easy - too easy, - but this will not make anything or anyone better. Contrary, rude comments on the mechanics are not a constructive criticism, and are not useful in any way. Each one will only do a tiny bit of mental damage to a developer of a game that you like so much. And if you don't like it - then why do you care, why are you here at all?

Don't be rude to people.

I treat jorbtar the same i would treat my friends. I give him shit all the time. Only a soyboy beta thinks the way you do.

[vatas]

So when I ask a question because I don’t understand something and jorb responds with “are you dumb?” who is being toxic?

Stickman makes a post regarding the issues of their divine intervention and how they weren’t accomplishing anything by giving that group a day in advance, how far the abuse of their stats spread, etc. which he was right about all of and still jorb replied to him in the most childish way possible.

Yeah, sometimes the devs and jorb specifically are given a hard time but they also bring it upon themselves occasionally.

I'm not going to give jorbtar too much shit about that but next time something like that happens, I expect every account even remotely affiliated with the exploit to be immediately suspended and held in ransom until jorbtar receives instructions on how to reproduce the exploit.

[MagicManICT]

I'm certainly guilty of being a dick and my only excuse is the game could be great muuuuuch greater than it

So when I ask a question because I don’t understand something and jorb responds with “are you dumb?” who is being toxic?

We are all guilty of it. To quote a great man "To err is human, to forgive--divine." It's also easy to forget details, and forget that others can overlook these things, no matter how great anyone's memory is. I like to point people at the character of Sheldon on "Big Bang Theory," and his typical attitude when people don't know or forget. Do you really want to be like Sheldon?

And as far as the game being great... Haven is exactly as great as it needs to be. Any greater, and the world might start beating down the door of Seatribe, which might require more people, more resources, more "balancing," and it would lose its greatness. I wish I could point at some concrete examples, but none jump to the top of my head, and the Internet is full of things that started off small, were great, and failed when scaled up. Sometimes things just take time to come around. Sometimes things just aren't going to be no matter how much we want them to.

[Granger]

And as far as the game being great... Haven is exactly as great as it needs to be. Any greater, and the world might start beating down the door of Seatribe, which might require more people, more resources, more "balancing," and it would lose its greatness.

I call BS on that one.

Sure, in case the internet starts beating on their door there would be some technical issues (mainly the world server that, last I know of it, dosn't scale beyond one physical machine at the moment) to be solved but that's doable and I trust loftar to pull that off (possibly he already laid the foundataions for this, or already only needs to twist the switch, no idea) within a reasonable timeframe. But I think that in case the two would be given enough dough so they wouldn't have to work on anything else in parallel to haven (which, from what I have gathered from the streams, dosn't seem to be the case yet) so they wouldn't have to put things together under time pressure (as they seem to, currently)... it could only get better. Even if they would have to hire some (like to work on the client, which both of them seem to hate).

I agree with the OP.