Hafens barrier to entry

[overtyped]

Bob Doles been thinking lately. He has a very good pc, but when there is enough shit on screen, he can still get 10 fps.
Then Bob Dole got to wondering, why are mmo's like world of warcraft able to run with decent fps on a 1995 school computer, but my graphics card can chug in hafen?

Just like Yandere Dev and his horrendous spaggeti code, most indie developers likely have this same problem, where the game isn't optimized, where most code is redundant, or there's ten lines of code to do a task, but could actually be shortened to one. But, hopefully our own spaggeti games code doesn't look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXotP-9LcDY.

The only thing I can think of to improve things is somehow clumping similar objects into their own kind of instances, like crops or something, where they don't "exist" or count as a single unit until they are actually being moused over, or maybe clicked on? In theory it would reduce fps, but it's probably hard to code, and I have no idea if this is even viable or makes sense, my coding knowledge is only basic.

Solo developers have to either focus on development, or refinement, but it's like a catch-22. If they don't regularly update, people might quit, but if they don't refine the code, then the barrier to entry prevents new blood. There's also a risk that if you shorten something the whole thing fucks up. Indie devs don't have hundreds of developers at their disposal to quickly fix something like this either.

But, I do wonder how crazy popular hafen would be like if literally anyone could play it on their shitty pcs.
With the rise of AI, i wonder if a ai program like chatgpt could be trained on hafen code to try and optimize it without fucking it up.

[Joe69]

I've always played hafen on a toaster

[Aerona]

Hmm. My computer's fan screams when I shift-click stacked items into a stockpile, it's usually OK otherwise.

[TheServant]

I agree.

[The_Blode]

built-in gatekeeping, as far as I'm concerned.
i don't want any "REEE MUH FRAMES DROPPED FOR A MOMENT" autism to pile onto the already rampant autism present around here.

that said, I didn't get to experience a steady framerate on a PC until i was well into adulthood so my perception is skewed by that

[Nightdawg]

With the rise of AI, i wonder if a ai program like chatgpt could be trained on hafen code to try and optimize it without fucking it up.

That ain't happening any time soon. Instead, think of the AI as an assistant that could point some things out to Loftar, rather than something that could redo all of it. I suppose that could work.

Also game's written in java by a single person. WoW is neither java nor single person.

The new render client pretty much doubled the framerate, so who knows what we'll get in the future tho xD

[Reiber]

hafen isnt exactly stable, but it runs on anything, thats why we have such an sprawling russian playerbase, whose machines can only run this, and homm3,

[Tubby_Squirrel]

Haven being written in Java is a major factor. Java isn't known for being ... light weight.

[Audiosmurf]

Everything is about weight with this fucking guy

[26dollar]

don't you fucking dare shit talk yanderedev, he made a masterpiece
also lofter can u pls completely remake hafen in c++, thx