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Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby hushpuppi3 » Fri May 13, 2016 7:37 am

I've got 2 questions, I'll just ask them both here since there isn't much use making 2 topics

My first question is simple. How does carrot farming work? The wiki seems outdated because I've got Gardening as well as Plant Lore and the only time I've been able to harvest my carrots is when they are fully grown, and I have only received 1 carrot each which I immediately replant to hope for more. The wiki says it can give 1-3 carrots, and that you can harvest it in the previous stage for 4-15 seeds, but I haven't been able to harvest them before the final stage (which has only given me 1 carrot every time). Either the wiki isn't updated or I'm super unlucky. How do farm carrots so you can get more seeds/carrots per plant?

My next question is regarding Bows in general. I've noticed I almost ALWAYS miss if the target (or the past the target) has a higher elevation than where you're standing. I had zero issue killing a moose after 3-4 hits because my first shot was taken on equal ground and caused it to flee, but I cannot hit boars, bears, or even foxes from a boat or a shore even if the ground is just barely higher than where the target is. This also applies if I'm shooting from 1 shore to another because the land behind the shore of the target is slightly higher and causes the arrow to ALWAYS miss. I have 16 MM, 15 perc, and a q12 bow, and wait for the bar to fill about 95% before shooting and I have literally never hit anything when the area is uneven. Even when me and the target are on even ground (2 shores) it will miss because of the land behind it is higher, which makes no sense to me. This is causing me to waste a lot of arrows (most of them are lost in the water). This also applies to boats, since deep water (even in a boat) is considered lower height than a shore I believe (I've only had 1 time where I was able to shoot from deep water to shallow water without any land directly behind the target and missed every time). What are the aiming mechanics regarding elevation? I must be missing something (other than the target >.> )
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby Thedrah » Fri May 13, 2016 7:58 am

carrots have 5 growth stages, 1-seed, 2-growth, 3-one carrot, 4-seeds(10-15), 5-carrots(2-3)

they take a long time to grow, with a beehive they take about 30-36 hours for stage 5. i do stage 4 for the seeds as it's more convenient to use a bucket for me
without a beehive they can take much longer but i'm too lazy to figure out how long

afaik; elevation has no correlation to aim. it's the distance that makes the biggest difference from what i've done. i think aim-hit ratio is low, like 1/3 maybe 1/4 you hit the target at your item quality and skill/stats
i think a sling and many stones make for a better ranged weapon early on
just make sure to 'cage' the animal somehow. why i first started using an alt
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby hushpuppi3 » Fri May 13, 2016 8:02 am

Good point on the carrots, I realized I wasn't waiting as long as I thought I was and was just harvesting them too early >.>

Are you sure about the aiming? I hit 4/5 of my shots on a moose on all flat ground, but I missed a fox from my boat when I was very close with over 10 shots, not a single hit.
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby Thedrah » Fri May 13, 2016 8:09 am

i didn't have much luck hunting from a boat and always used a cliff/ridge to shoot over. i would be 3-5 tiles away from the thing usually
your arrows matter too and i think it's perception with the vitality of the bow/arrow

i don't have much experience with bowhunting from a boat though :X
i would call rng but 10shots and no hits is really bad luck

if you have plant fibers, try to make some bound wool stuffing gilds. they give at least 5marksmanship
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby hushpuppi3 » Fri May 13, 2016 8:22 am

Well shooting while on higher ground might have no change, I should have clarified that all the times I've missed is shooting from lower elevation (just slightly). What's really strange is that even when you and the target are on the same level of elevation, the height of the land in the FULL ARROW'S RANGE (which seems to be consistent and may be based on quality and levels of various abilities/skills/items) affects the inaccuracy. If I'm counting arrows that missed because of uneven ground I'd have a 100% miss accuracy (my bone arrows are 15-20q in all 3 stats), which is about 50-70 arrows. I'm incredibly certain being on lower ground greatly affects accuracy (at least for new characters with low MM/perc/quality items) even when the arrows would normally hit. If I had higher stats and better equipment I'd put a ton of effort into trying to figure it out but right now people would probably chalk it up to low stats or that I don't know what I'm doing (compounded by the fact that I've been harvesting my carrots in stage 2, lmao)

can you miss Archery Targets? I might use them to try and prove my point (to myself, mostly) about elevation and such if you can.
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby Glorthan » Fri May 13, 2016 9:32 am

Practice on archery targets, it's the same as animals (shift+b on amber gives your target box that you need to hit). Smaller animals are harder to hit.

The easiest way is to aggro the animal and click its combat portrait in the top right to aim/fire.
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby hushpuppi3 » Fri May 13, 2016 2:10 pm

Glorthan wrote:Practice on archery targets, it's the same as animals (shift+b on amber gives your target box that you need to hit). Smaller animals are harder to hit.

The easiest way is to aggro the animal and click its combat portrait in the top right to aim/fire.


I know how to use a bow, my problem is a specific issue regarding bow accuracy and possibly difference in elevation regarding the target
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby Itanu » Fri May 13, 2016 4:58 pm

hushpuppi3 wrote:I know how to use a bow, my problem is a specific issue regarding bow accuracy and possibly difference in elevation regarding the target


Elevation does not affect shooting in any way. The only way this could be affecting you accuracy is if you are not accounting for parallax error in your aim. If you want to be sure you are shooting in the right direction, use cam bad, look vertically down on the situation, then click right where you want to shoot. You will easily be able to see the path of your arrow, and thus see that the only misses you get are from inaccuracies.
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby hushpuppi3 » Fri May 13, 2016 5:28 pm

Itanu wrote:Elevation does not affect shooting in any way. The only way this could be affecting you accuracy is if you are not accounting for parallax error in your aim. If you want to be sure you are shooting in the right direction, use cam bad, look vertically down on the situation, then click right where you want to shoot. You will easily be able to see the path of your arrow, and thus see that the only misses you get are from inaccuracies.


I've always been just clicking the target on the screen, could that somehow miss? should I click their portrait instead?
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Re: Carrot farming / Firing bow from uneven ground and boat

Postby Granger » Fri May 13, 2016 9:27 pm

hushpuppi3 wrote:
Itanu wrote:Elevation does not affect shooting in any way. The only way this could be affecting you accuracy is if you are not accounting for parallax error in your aim. If you want to be sure you are shooting in the right direction, use cam bad, look vertically down on the situation, then click right where you want to shoot. You will easily be able to see the path of your arrow, and thus see that the only misses you get are from inaccuracies.


I've always been just clicking the target on the screen, could that somehow miss? should I click their portrait instead?

When clicking the target you actually click the ground as if the animal isn't there, so you most likely click somewhere behind and to the side of the animal and miss - but if you click the ground inside the animals hitbox (or a spot on a straight line intersecting you and the anonym before or behind it) you'll likely hit. So click the ground between the animals legs, or the portrait when already in combat.
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