creedos and the bonuses they give

[broghk75]

if this has been covered, please direct me to where

looking on my char who is currently nakey and has completed the forager's creedo, I only see a +2 on me exploration and I see only a +1 on my perception. the creedo says it gives a +10 on both?


am I missing something?

[Potjeh]

It increases base stats rather than apply a bonus like equipment.

[broghk75]

so does that mean as I increase that stat, it will nullify the bonus?

[DDDsDD999]

No, it's as if you gained the stats normally, like spending LP or eating food.

[MagicManICT]

The short answer ^^ (fukin ninjas)

An example: A fresh character starts at 1s and 10s in skills and attributes respectively. If all you did was add in the credo, it'd be the same, except inheriting from that ancestor would now start you out at 11 exploration and 20 perception. Your costs would be 1200 LP to increase exploration, and you'd need 20 FEP to raise attributes.

[Granger]

If all you did was add in the credo, it'd be the same, except inheriting from that ancestor would now start you out at 11 exploration and 20 perception.

Wait, what? Has that been tested?
Because if it works that way (and the levels are kept) then suicide after each credo is really a no-brainier...

[MagicManICT]

Pretty sure that's how jorb wrote it up... as far as suicides go, I'm pretty sure we pointed that out. I suppose I have a character I could "throw off a cliff" for testing that I've only completed one credo on... Was waiting till I got the farming credo finished first, though, because doing it for only one seemed a bit of a waste of other efforts.

I mean, you keep the completed credos on inheritance, yes?

[_Gunnar]

If all you did was add in the credo, it'd be the same, except inheriting from that ancestor would now start you out at 11 exploration and 20 perception.

Wait, what? Has that been tested?
Because if it works that way (and the levels are kept) then suicide after each credo is really a no-brainier...

I started this world after credos were implemented, so I've been suiciding frequently since I don't really give a shit about quality in my crappy hermitage... and...

It actually seems even "better" than that. It seems like the inheritance counts the points from the credo, and then the points from the credo are added again - meaning you can actually kill yourself and (slightly) raise certain stats. I told J&L but they didn't respond

Its actually slightly irritating because now I have much higher strength than other stats, but of course they are all so low its not a big deal.

e.g.

Character Profile – Kali

Character created at
2017-10-21 16:36
Last played at
2017-10-21 16:49
Direct ancestor
Brynhildr
Learning points collected
1941 (11941 total)
Age
No time
Wounds
None
Values
Strength 74
Agility 10
Intelligence 13
Constitution 12
Perception 25
Charisma 12
Dexterity 11
Will 11
Psyche 11
Unarmed Combat 3
Melee Combat 1
Marksmanship 35
Exploration 45
Stealth 1
Sewing 2
Smithing 3
Masonry 33
Carpentry 28
Cooking 2
Farming 111
Survival 44
Lore 45
Skills
Oral Tradition
Primitive Tools
Wilderness Survival

vs my old character

Character Profile – Brynhildr

Character created at
2017-10-20 06:43
Last played at
2017-10-21 16:13
Direct ancestor
Hervor
Learning points collected
55420 (91805 total)
Age
No time
Wounds
Asphyxiation 143
Values
Strength 71
Agility 14
Intelligence 22
Constitution 19
Perception 31
Charisma 17
Dexterity 16
Will 15
Psyche 11
Unarmed Combat 9
Melee Combat 1
Marksmanship 40
Exploration 50
Stealth 1
Sewing 4
Smithing 8
Masonry 33
Carpentry 22
Cooking 6
Farming 121
Survival 50
Lore 40
Skills
Boat Building
Carpentry
Farming
Fishing
Foraging
Hearth Magic
Hunting
Lumberjacking
Oral Tradition
Plant Lore
Primitive Tools
Stone Working
Swimming
The Will to Power
Wilderness Survival
Woodsmanship
Yeomanry

This is without burying the body yet! After burial, several other skills related to credo bonuses were also (slightly) improved on the descendant relative to the ancestor.

[MagicManICT]

So if I got this right, when you die, it tracks your Exploration as 11, thus you'd have like 3 on the new character, plus the +10 from the Forager credo? This is unexpected.

[_Gunnar]

Something like that, yeah. I'm not sure precisely how inheritance works now, but I'm pretty sure >100% is not what one should expect...