Fyrdsman or Bronze?

[linkfanpc]

Steel > Bronze > Wrought

Dang it...

But bronze is nowhere near as valuable, tough or hard to get than wrought...

[The_Lich_King]

Steel > Bronze > Wrought

Dang it...

But bronze is nowhere near as valuable, tough or hard to get than wrought...

Especially considering bronze is actually slightly weaker than iron. Like bronze won't hold an edge for quite as long as wrought. The only reason why bronze age empires preffered bronze is because: copper and tin were more readily available, copper and tin have much lower melting temperatures so you didn't need a specialized furnace, you could outfit armies much quicker with bronze than iron due to the ease of making it and at that time they hadn't perfected the art of making iron.( with the exception of the middle-eastern nations. They had perfected it in early 1k B.C.) Basically wrought does make better weapons by a slight margain so if we wanna be historically accurate bronze and iron's place should be reversed.

[linkfanpc]

if we wanna be historically accurate bronze and iron's place should be reversed.

That's what i was thinking.

[Jacobian123]

Yeah, this is a little weird. Technically I'd say they're both probably about the same in terms of difficulty to make, but there need to be sensical tiers. Bronze < Wrought < Steel.

[The_Lich_King]

Yeah, this is a little weird. Technically I'd say they're both probably about the same in terms of difficulty to make, but there need to be sensical tiers. Bronze < Wrought < Steel.

Actually i am working on making my own bronze and its extremely easy to make in comparison to iron. With iron you really have to baby it threw the process but with bronze just a little tin a little copper maybe a tiny amount of zinc and the find a way to introduce copper halfway threw the process. plus copper and tin and zinc are not as hard and thus not as difficult to work with.

[Jacobian123]

Yeah, this is a little weird. Technically I'd say they're both probably about the same in terms of difficulty to make, but there need to be sensical tiers. Bronze < Wrought < Steel.

Actually i am working on making my own bronze and its extremely easy to make in comparison to iron. With iron you really have to baby it threw the process but with bronze just a little tin a little copper maybe a tiny amount of zinc and the find a way to introduce copper halfway threw the process. plus copper and tin and zinc are not as hard and thus not as difficult to work with.

Well, atleast steelmaking you have to babysit it. Most anything else with iron involves you beating the shit out of it.

[Hrenli]

Especially considering bronze is actually slightly weaker than iron.

In the real world that's not true for wrought iron.

[Hrenli]

But bronze is nowhere near as valuable, tough or hard to get than wrought...

Out of 4 ores possible to find on the first cave level only 1 (one) can give you copper and only 1 (one) tin. But there are 3 (three) iron-containing ores. More to this - the only copper-containing ore is chalcopyrite, which also gives you iron. I.e. if you managed to find copper on level 1 - it means you also already found iron.

So, once again, how exactly bronze is harder to get?

[vatas]

I remember that at some point in history, Romans equipped their rank-and-file soldiers with crude iron swords while giving elite and officers bronze ones. I'm pretty sure that in real life, well made bronze sword is much better than poorly made iron sword. Metallurgy was step-by-step process. At the point I first described, iron swords couldn't be crafted in too impressive quality but iron is much more common element than copper or tin. Eventually they improved methods of working iron and made iron/steel swords that are better than bronze weapons in all aspects.

I remember reading that bronze weapons' biggest downside is that instead of bending, they have tendency to chip or outright break when too much force is applied to them.

Early Iron Age swords were significantly different from later steel swords. They were work-hardened, rather than quench-hardened, which made them about the same or only slightly better in terms of strength and hardness to earlier bronze swords. This meant that they could still be bent out of shape during use. The easier production, however, and the greater availability of the raw material allowed for much larger scale production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age_sword

[Jacobian123]

But bronze is nowhere near as valuable, tough or hard to get than wrought...

Out of 4 ores possible to find on the first cave level only 1 (one) can give you copper and only 1 (one) tin. But there are 3 (three) iron-containing ores. More to this - the only copper-containing ore is chalcopyrite, which also gives you iron. I.e. if you managed to find copper on level 1 - it means you also already found iron.

So, once again, how exactly bronze is harder to get?

False, there are two copper-bearing ores. The first is chalcopteryte, the second is malachite.