Combat Guide by Flameturtle

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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby banok » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:02 pm

eh Ive realised one of reasons I kept getting wounded so bad is artful evasion. it is not a subsitute for both a blue and yellow defense. I guess because 2 defenses have 2 separate strength bars. animals will fire off 2 attacks at once sometimes, so it could break with a blue attack then follow immediately with yellow using IP and you have no yellow defense = you are wounded before can refresh it.

so my small deck idea with multi direction defenses isnt really ever going to viable. back to practising using big decks, isnt so hard but still just don't like it. I like the move discovery stuff, but would rather just have a static 10 move skillbar in a pvp game anyday, let alone permadeath pvp.
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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby mittelshpiel » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:41 pm

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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby Fedorya » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:19 pm

After a lot of fight with UC, i can say, there is a build that is pretty OP against a lot of animals.

Im currently fighting : Fox / Badger / Mouflon / Bats pretty easly with this combat build :

-1 Dodge
-1 Jump
-1 Watch it move
-1 Punch

With this layout, you ALWAYS have the 3 defensive moves and the punch up and ready.
Just start the battle from afar and kite the animal until all your 3 defense moves are up.
When all defense are ready, punch it.
Refresh any defense that go down, then punch again.

With 30 UC - 25 Agi -50 Str, im currently destroying these animals without taking any damages (No armor).
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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby CloudJhi » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:42 pm

Lol beginner fu.

That's not to say its ineffective, but I would still advocate learning to build and use larger decks. With my deck I can fight cows, boars, and deer* even at 40 UA.


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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby Fedorya » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:54 pm

Well, beginner or not i don't care, if there is people relativly new to the combat system, it provide a solid ground to start without taking to much risk.
Isn't it the purpose of such a topic ?
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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby Hervarth » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:19 pm

That deck is good for unlocking the later moves/attacks but once you get them you can even fight boar at 30ua with some armour. A couple pages back I was only using 5card decks and following advice from cloudjhi I am using 7-9cards, and it is much stronger (if a bit less aggro! which can be important :)). But its important to first learn the mechanics of keeping up blocks, etc, with the basic deck. Also people who dont care about hunting and stuff probably want that deck just for taming, so the beginner deck is a useful thing for sure.

My current deck uses feigned dodge and punch to get through green def, and then chop to finish, which is fun... i dont have people to practice on so dunno how good it is against them.
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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby insanechef » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:23 pm

does anyone know how much damage foxes/badgers/boars tend to flee at? it seems to be more if you fight them hand to hand then that cliff fighting. although i havent tested with a boar
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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby Sevenless » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:39 pm

CloudJhi wrote:Lol beginner fu.

That's not to say its ineffective, but I would still advocate learning to build and use larger decks. With my deck I can fight cows, boars, and deer* even at 40 UA.


*It died, but I just about did too.


Yep, beginner fu (I use and advocate a 5 card variant of that in my guide) is effective, but brute force. It's good for players not interested in combat mastery but needing it for ants/bats and taming.

It is crap for pvp, and definitely not optimal power per combat ability point invested though. No argument on that.
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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby Zeler » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:43 pm

Just got Kick from ants at 40 UA after adding new moves to my beginner fu deck.
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Re: Combat Guide by Flameturtle & Friends

Postby Archiplex » Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:08 pm

Zeler wrote:Just got Kick from ants at 40 UA after adding new moves to my beginner fu deck.


Which moves?
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