Fyrdsman or Bronze?

[MadNomad]

But bronze is nowhere near as valuable, tough or hard to get than wrought...

Out of 4 ores possible to find on the first cave level only 1 (one) can give you copper and only 1 (one) tin. But there are 3 (three) iron-containing ores. More to this - the only copper-containing ore is chalcopyrite, which also gives you iron. I.e. if you managed to find copper on level 1 - it means you also already found iron.

So, once again, how exactly bronze is harder to get?

False, there are two copper-bearing ores. The first is chalcopteryte, the second is malachite.

But he said that you can only find 4 kinds of ore on the first cave level. He didn't say malachite doesn't exist.

[Scoodles]

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... e_Iron_Age

...But this still doesn’t explain why iron replaced bronze. Iron is not superior to bronze for tools. Wrought iron, the form first encountered by Near Eastern smelters, is roughly equivalent in hardness to annealed 10% tin bronze, and inferior to all cold-worked tin bronzes. It is only when carbon dissolves into the iron (carburization) and the artisan quenches the resulting steel that ferrous metals have a definite hardness advantage over bronze.
...Throughout the eastern Mediterranean area in the first two centuries of the Iron Age, iron weapons appear alongside bronze weapons, with no evidence that iron provided any military advantage over bronze weapons.
...It is also apparent that ferrous metals displaced bronze in tools before weapons and armor. A tool that loses its edge or bends prematurely is a nuisance; a sword that loses its edge in battle puts a warrior’s life at risk. This tends to confirm the theory that iron was originally a second-best alternative to bronze, until the accidental discovery of carburization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze#History

Though bronze is generally harder than wrought iron, with Vickers hardness of 60–258 vs. 30–80,[11] the Bronze Age gave way to the Iron Age because iron was easier to find and easier to process into a usable grade of metal (it can be made into higher grades, but doing so takes significantly more effort and knowledge of techniques). Pure iron is soft, and the process of beating and folding sponge iron to make wrought iron removes from the metal carbon and other impurities which need to be re-introduced to improve hardness. Careful control of the alloying and tempering eventually allowed for wrought iron with properties comparable to modern steel.

From what I've read: wrought iron ≠ bronze < steel
I suppose it could be emulated by making the two have some form of nonstandard quality scaling in which equal quality bronze is superior at lower qualities but inferior at higher qualities

[Jacobian123]

But he said that you can only find 4 kinds of ore on the first cave level. He didn't say malachite doesn't exist.

Ah, sorry, my mistake.

[linkfanpc]

But bronze is nowhere near as valuable, tough or hard to get than wrought...

Out of 4 ores possible to find on the first cave level only 1 (one) can give you copper and only 1 (one) tin. But there are 3 (three) iron-containing ores. More to this - the only copper-containing ore is chalcopyrite, which also gives you iron. I.e. if you managed to find copper on level 1 - it means you also already found iron.

So, once again, how exactly bronze is harder to get?

I was saying iron is harder to get than bronze. Bronze is easy, iron is much less common, and you have a higher chance to get copper than iron with Chalcopyrite.

[ydex]

But bronze is nowhere near as valuable, tough or hard to get than wrought...

Out of 4 ores possible to find on the first cave level only 1 (one) can give you copper and only 1 (one) tin. But there are 3 (three) iron-containing ores. More to this - the only copper-containing ore is chalcopyrite, which also gives you iron. I.e. if you managed to find copper on level 1 - it means you also already found iron.

So, once again, how exactly bronze is harder to get?

I was saying iron is harder to get than bronze. Bronze is easy, iron is much less common, and you have a higher chance to get copper than iron with Chalcopyrite.

and wrought is also way more annoying to make. so it just makes no sense bronze is the better option.

[AbsK]

and wrought is also way more annoying to make. so it just makes no sense bronze is the better option.

In the real world, Steel>Bronze>Iron. The only reason that iron is "better" is that it copper and tin are usually nowhere near each other geographically, meaning to get bronze you have to trade. Bronze is also much easier to work with in terms of tech required (ie a fire and a pan). The only reason that iron became the norm was that if you found it you could outfit your whole army without trading with anyone else. Iron only becomes better than bronze when made into steel.

Speaking of early steel, the low grade steel we use today for railroad spikes is better than the steel used at any point more than around 150 years ago. This means that a railroad spike axe made today is better than any steel axe in game!

[Hasta]

In the real world

Thanks gawd it's just a videogame, I'd hate to imagine actually chopping a fully grown tree with a boulder somehow shoved upon a branch.

[MagicManICT]

it's a sharp rock, and the right rocks work fairly well without dulling quickly. It's no hardened steel axe, but hey, if you're chopping a tree manually, you've already left the modern age behind, and likely don't have access to good steel, either.

My understanding was that temperatures were an issue for figuring out how to get iron pure enough for use in tools. Lack of purity leaves you with either hard, unworkable iron (such as cast iron) or brittle iron that can't be forged without breaking. Also, you can smelt copper and tin ores both at a significantly lower temperature, and it's not hard to get them to alloy.

[ydex]

it's a sharp rock, and the right rocks work fairly well without dulling quickly. It's no hardened steel axe, but hey, if you're chopping a tree manually, you've already left the modern age behind, and likely don't have access to good steel, either.

My understanding was that temperatures were an issue for figuring out how to get iron pure enough for use in tools. Lack of purity leaves you with either hard, unworkable iron (such as cast iron) or brittle iron that can't be forged without breaking. Also, you can smelt copper and tin ores both at a significantly lower temperature, and it's not hard to get them to alloy.

yes, Ive heard this to from many places, and then when man figured out how to make fire hot enough to smelt iron they shifted from bronze to iron as iron was more abundant at that time.