What are good things to ask hermits/noobs/small towns for?

[loskierek]

the problem with trade is that people always sell their BEST available product... so lets say a vill is at 180q bonesaw, a noob would be fine with a q100 which you can easily make with not the best mats and still get for example a hardened leather of few silk threads, its small trades but it would help hermits.

[loleznub]

To be fair, the vast majority of trade threads at this point in the world are pretty much scams.

People buying silk cloth for ~10-20 points each but selling merchant robes for 200+ ???

People buying gold pebbles for 2 pts each (of custom currency) yet selling a gold nugget for 40pts each ???

The prices prey on those without anything, I personally believe the "shops" in AfO should be renamed to pawn shops because buying something for significantly discounted prices but yet selling the same item back for double and sometimes triple the price just doesn't sit right with me.

With how regional resources work and how easy it is to bot them with alts I'm surprised regionals are going for as much as they do.

Realistically though, the only thing worthwhile to the big guys is going to be Sub Tokens which is, funnily enough, the most effortless way of gaining things in the game. Most regionals will run out of uses in about 3-6 months when all the kingdoms have the majority of their buffs done.

[DoctorCookie]

"I'm not trading this, because I could do these myself." is a weak point Sevenless.
Eiter you trade for it or you don't. .

I could put up a metal axe for 1,000 blueberries because that's what it's worth to me. But there's no way newbies will be able or willing to do that, nor should they be. The problem with things I'm easily able to do in industrial scale is that I know offering to buy that stuff is just plain insulting. I want people to feel like they're getting good value, and because I've got 30 leather tubs running off spare hides means my buy prices for trash level would be ridiculously low.

It's a very valid argument, unless I'm just creating a system for the sake of making newbies enjoy earning metal products.

Well then you dont need anything. So why start the thread? I am not trying to be contentious, but you posed a question then answered it with "I want to trade with hermits but I bot everything and need nothing so I dont." This leads to obvious issues with the current state of the game and a rabbit hole I dont want to go down.

[biohazard]

the problem with trade is that people always sell their BEST available product... so lets say a vill is at 180q bonesaw, a noob would be fine with a q100 which you can easily make with not the best mats and still get for example a hardened leather of few silk threads, its small trades but it would help hermits.

since manufacture time is the same, theres no point in wastin it craftin lower stuff if ya can esrn better.


imo the most trivin heremits would be fishin villages, exclusive fishin and acauirin everythin else through tradin its sea stuff, since it cant be mass produced, requires attention and loads of expertise, its the perfectniche to provide varied stuff that is to bothersome to the big shots to put their dark hands into it. as the chinese sayin the dragon has its dragon path and the snake has its snake path, the only competition heremits can have is on side door

[Sevenless]

the problem with trade is that people always sell their BEST available product... so lets say a vill is at 180q bonesaw, a noob would be fine with a q100 which you can easily make with not the best mats and still get for example a hardened leather of few silk threads, its small trades but it would help hermits.

since manufacture time is the same, theres no point in wastin it craftin lower stuff if ya can esrn better.


imo the most trivin heremits would be fishin villages, exclusive fishin and acauirin everythin else through tradin its sea stuff, since it cant be mass produced, requires attention and loads of expertise, its the perfectniche to provide varied stuff that is to bothersome to the big shots to put their dark hands into it. as the chinese sayin the dragon has its dragon path and the snake has its snake path, the only competition heremits can have is on side door

@losk

Yeah I know, and the thing for me is it's easy to pick out things I can sell to people. Support grade bronze on an anvil into bronze swords and breastplates? Easy to make at a quality people will love to use.

@Biohazard

Fish is actually a good point, at least as much as we can reasonably eat with satiations. I can't produce it any better or faster than even fairly undeveloped players, so by making valuable goods instead I save myself effort.

Well then you dont need anything. So why start the thread? I am not trying to be contentious, but you posed a question then answered it with "I want to trade with hermits but I bot everything and need nothing so I dont." This leads to obvious issues with the current state of the game and a rabbit hole I dont want to go down.

Isn't the whole point of the thread that I can't think of anything to want? Amusing that people are giving me flak for not wanting things, but it's at least partially not wanting to be an asshole. Sure, I could sell iron products for some retarded amount of silk to study ribbons. But the utlity to me compared to stuff I'd be selling would make the price insulting. I'd rather just not sell something than have it come off as a complete ripoff from the other person's side of things.

Unless I just do this for shiggles and charity, but I don't produce most of this so me deciding to be charitable doesn't necessarily go down well with my village mates. At least not to random strangers.

[Hrenli]

the problem with trade is that people always sell their BEST available product...

Whoot? Even on trade forum you can see offers of the same thing (from the same person) but different quality at different prices. And I am quite sure any regular market with barter stands contain items for sale which are below max available quality for the owners.

[loskierek]

yes, its good to see that some things cost only a token not 5, what a relief before we get a proper market hermits will be shafted out of cash money to get good stuff and thats a fact

[Hrenli]

yes, its good to see that some things cost only a token not 5, what a relief before we get a proper market hermits will be shafted out of cash money to get good stuff and thats a fact

Fact is - you live not too far from the Turnip Market and has been pointed there quite a few times already. Please visit it and point me a single token there.

We don't trade for rmt stuff (I agreed to take a token once this world as an exception but the initiative came from the other party involved, not me). Buying ropes/leather/cloth/curios/bones and other stuff instead. Selling not the top but decent quality items.

It's easy to whine on forums and discords how bad the trade is for hermits. To do something about it (start your own market, open a stand at someone else's or at least move your arse and see what is available around you) is not for everyone it seems.

[loskierek]

i do trade locally with people, i am not gong to travel for 1h to MAYBE find what i will need o.O fact is your place could possibly be one of few that benefit hermits and like i said only proper markets work ( which your seems to be ). But the point is trade is mostly between hermits where one finds something better than the other I live near few villages and when asked if they have copper for sale early on ( like a month in ) the only accepted payment was token or thing unavailable to hermits

[Hrenli]

i do trade locally with people, i am not gong to travel for 1h to MAYBE find what i will need

To cross our whole continent takes less than 1h even without a knarr Well, if you don't want to put an effort your chances of getting results aren't that high.

But the point is trade is mostly between hermits where one finds something better than the other I live near few villages and when asked if they have copper for sale early on ( like a month in ) the only accepted payment was token or thing unavailable to hermits

Good example. We too are located above huge tin vein without any chalc around. Had to trade for copper early in the world. As it was quite rare in our part of the world it was expensive (I think we traded chalc ore 1:1 or even worse for coal which was quite valuable during first weeks). And until people reached 3rd level chalc was the only copper source. So it was quite expensive for awhile. I ended up prospecting like 1/3 of the continent because of that (found nearest not taken chalc vein in ~50 grids from us). With how ores are spread in this world you either have to go far or trade locally but it will be expensive because people you trade with would have brought it from somewhere else.

Of course, it all depends on who you are trying to trade with. Some people get lucky with neighbors, some not so much. But here again the wider your "trade area" is the more potential possibilities you get. And in my experience talking to people in the game directly proves to be superior to forums/discords in terms of results.