Ring of Brodgar Wiki

[Solanum_tuberosum]

Just a quick heads up:
Wiki is online again.

[mvgulik]

(A few people like to bitch and moan about people who don't make a perfect page when they post something, but those people need to pull the stick out of their ass.)

Really ... wow. That's good to know.
As good communicator and forum admin you of course tried to talk about this with this person.
(if not, that person probably views you as the one holding some big stick in some awkward location for some unknown reason.)


Human's ... :
... Most want a clean world. And most do not even bother making some detour to ditch there trash it in a nearby trash-bin. ...
... Mistakes_Were_Made_(But_Not_by_Me)

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24h delayed correction.
1) "forum admin" should have been "forum moderator".
2) ... ... ... lowering RoB-wiki aspirations.
3) Subject closes AFAIC.

[KitsuneG]

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Quality
i need an advice from community, many new people use this page trying to understand the game.

what should be there? almost all information here outdated, i should replace it with new? add some?(like garden and treeplanter pots) or even delete because there is info on related pages?

[ricky]

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Quality
i need an advice from community, many new people use this page trying to understand the game.

what should be there? almost all information here outdated, i should replace it with new? add some?(like garden and treeplanter pots) or even delete because there is info on related pages?

I think that pages emphasizes information not super relevant to quality.

If i were to remake the page, I'd start with a explanation of quality, then an explanation of hard/soft caps, a list of 'tools' which noobs might not realize are factored in the quality formulas (such as how potters wheel and tanning tubs affects quality, but herb table and drying frames only affects drying time). I'd use a few formulas as examples of what to expect when crafting. A smithing formula, butcher formula, etc. I wouldn't explicity mention attributes as much as that article does, perhaps only mentioning that raising attributes affects the soft/hard caps.

[MagicManICT]

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Quality
i need an advice from community, many new people use this page trying to understand the game.

what should be there? almost all information here outdated, i should replace it with new? add some?(like garden and treeplanter pots) or even delete because there is info on related pages?

I've been thinking on this myself, and haven't come up with enough of a conclusion to actually make edits. My thoughts:

• If it doesn't discuss specifics about quality--what it is, how to calculate, how it's applied--then it's not needed there, and may be redundant information that can become outdated because it's not linked to a parent page.
• A few examples are fine, but we don't need whole lists (such as the armor). Either link to the Armor category page and general information about that category can be placed there, or get rid of those sections of the page all together. (I favor the latter, but do understand the links might be helpful as general discussion of how quality affects that type of item are useful, and the links could be good cross referencing.)
• Move discussion to the talk page. That's what those pages are for. Truth is we probably don't need it as it comes down to specific items we might not know how quality works on. Discussion of quality effects or formulas of specific items should probably be done here on the forums or on that item's discussion page.
• Ditch the "skill values" section. Again, should be information that is elsewhere.
  [*}I think it would be good to introduce the concept of "geometric mean" (link to Wikipedia) as how the quality is calculated. Some of the items now have more than two skills/attributes in the calculation, so simply "square root" isn't correct.
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If i were to remake the page, I'd start with a explanation of quality, then an explanation of hard/soft caps, a list of 'tools' which noobs might not realize are factored in the quality formulas (such as how potters wheel and tanning tubs affects quality, but herb table and drying frames only affects drying time).

This would be solid, I think. I think it might be better to just state that, "Many objects used in the game can have differing effects, and that it's best to look up what each object does." Make sure that information is on such pages, too.

[borka]

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Quality
i need an advice from community, many new people use this page trying to understand the game.

what should be there? almost all information here outdated, i should replace it with new? add some?(like garden and treeplanter pots) or even delete because there is info on related pages?

It's not really "outdated" but mainly legacy related ... so i guess it should be renamed to Legacy:Quality and a new one related to actual gameversion should be created ...

A lot of Quality discussions had been on certain items Talk pages in the past ... and later edited into the pages ... so it's still a good way to gather quality informations i think

[KitsuneG]

A lot of Quality discussions had been on certain items Talk pages in the past ... and later edited into the pages ... so it's still a good way to gather quality informations i think

well it is, but i need new thoughts, on talk pages i can take only ricky and mvgulik opinion for now, im also gathering information from newbies(who actually need this page) in hedgehugs discord.

it should be renamed to Legacy:Quality

you right.

[borka]

Quality
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The Tri-Quality system -- Essence, Substance & Vitality -- has been removed, in favor of the one-dimensional -- Quality -- system of Legacy. The reason for this change is that we deemed it the case that tri-quality added complexity without adding much gameplay, as the crafting came to focus on average quality anyway. Gradually we have, in various ways, been moving away from tri-quality, and at this point it seemed that there was little point to keeping any of it. This opens up for other, ideally better, quality mechanics instead.
All food is, by virtue of this change, technically worse than it was in worlds eight and nine. Quality -- as it was in Legacy -- only increases FEPs given by food, and does not also -- as has up to now been the case here -- reduce hunger and particular satiations. The end result should be lower Base Attribute values -- and they have been high this world -- but it also opens up new development avenues in affecting those things in other ways instead.
Crops have been returned to the mechanics in Legacy. If their quality is below the local quality field for that type of crop -- all crops have their own -- they will, for each generation, change their quality from -5 to +5. If they are above the local quality field they will instead change in quality from -5 to +2, for each generation. If your farming value is lower than the quality of the crop, the result of the quality change will always be negative. Each crop harvested is randomized individually. The collective field effect has been removed entirely. (If this is a good change -- stacking and such -- remains to be seen)

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=52822&sid=f07116ff4b71ac9f38d635111bb46127#p700991

RoB Quality page has already been moved to Legacy:Quality in 2015 - so i think it's safe to edit Quality page ... Ricky or mv need to make a new talk page for it then ...

[ricky]

As it currently stands, legacy:Quality and Main:Quality are nearly identical. many moons ago I had moved the main:quality talk page to the Tri Quality System talk page. (this page needs to actually be updated to state its not currently in use.)

so Kitsune: feel free to change the main:Quality page in any way you see fit. nothing on that page is sacred.

[mvgulik]

Note: RoB being updated ... returning in due time.