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What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Kinglazy » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:43 pm

I read somewhere that barley doesn't add to wax production nor its growth is sped up by beehives. What other crops have special conditions like that concerning production of honey, wax and speeding growth.

I also read that having multiple beehives near each other on certain field is actually useful, if true which fields do they mean?
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby hazzor » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:52 pm

Kinglazy wrote:I also read that having multiple beehives near each other on certain field is actually useful, if true which fields do they mean?


The reason for this part is because of the way beehives work, they don't affect all crops in their radius at the same time, rather a skep will pollinate a tile once every few 'ticks', speeding up the growth of that tile (maybe, I'm not really sure about all this because bee stuff has always been super wierd)

I've heard differing stuff about wax production, but I think the old theory was that if a hive pollinated a certain number of crops in a certain period of time it'd produce some wax, so if that is the case having multiple hives in one field could actually hamper your wax production, depending on the number of crops in the field to be pollinated.

Again, just to finish off, take all of that with a grain of salt because man, who the fuck knows how this shit works?
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:56 pm

hazzor wrote:The reason for this part is because of the way beehives work, they don't affect all crops in their radius at the same time, rather a skep will pollinate a tile once every few 'ticks', speeding up the growth of that tile (maybe, I'm not really sure about all this because bee stuff has always been super wierd)


The crop when it ages up seeks a beehive, and is pollinated if it finds one. Beehives have a limited cap of some kind, and regenerate uses over time.

Jorb was being mysterious when I PMed him asking, since the description we got a while back seems off somehow. So it's back to us trying to figure out how it works again.

I had 400 tiles of flax, and I produced 1 wax from 2 different hives every 2 changes. So that'd be like 400 tile crop ages up per wax produced give or take? Not sure beyond that, trying to work on refining it.
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby MagicManICT » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:03 pm

Sevenless wrote: Beehives have a limited cap of some kind, and regenerate uses over time.


jorb stated it regenerates 6/hr with a storage of 50 charges. If that is accurate or not... well, changes are always possible. There have been complaints of the lack of effectiveness of the skeps.
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:05 pm

MagicManICT wrote:
Sevenless wrote: Beehives have a limited cap of some kind, and regenerate uses over time.


jorb stated it regenerates 6/hr with a storage of 50 charges. If that is accurate or not... well, changes are always possible. There have been complaints of the lack of effectiveness of the skeps.


I PMed him asking for clarification and he told me he wanted us to explore the mechanics. The way he said it makes me think our original understanding is somehow wrong, or the system has been tweaked.

Specifically, that 50 use limit seems really restrictive. Yet layering beehives together definitely trashes wax production and really feels like overkill. We're missing something.
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Shiala » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:08 pm

It almost feels like you have to make a choice now on what your hives are doing, whether they're being used to speed growth or being used to produce wax/honey.

I've seen the theory that barley and pumpkins are neither speed up by the hive or cause it to produce anything but I don't know if I totally believe that. I swear barley does produce wax/honey even if it doesn't get a speed boost. I really thought pumpkins were sped up by it until someone said otherwise yesterday. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part? I don't even know anymore.

At this point my strategy has been to just space hives about 14-15 tiles apart, so each hive is just out of each other's radius, and seeing what happens. So far that's been working alright but wax production is quite slow.
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:10 pm

Shiala wrote:It almost feels like you have to make a choice now on what your hives are doing, whether they're being used to speed growth or being used to produce wax/honey.


That might be true, but I'm still testing

Shiala wrote:I've seen the theory that barley and pumpkins are neither speed up by the hive or cause it to produce anything but I don't know if I totally believe that. I swear barley does produce wax/honey even if it doesn't get a speed boost.


I know why this happens: Beehives have a very tiny passive production. They will produce honey, and eventually wax I assume, even if left to sit away from all crops. Jorb or Loftar mentioned this.

Barley dev confirmed doesn't influence beehives, pumpkins I'm pretty sure are (beehive produced wax and honey while on a pumpkin field which didn't take 2 weeks). Loftar's explanation is "if it doesn't have a flower it isn't impact", and pretty much everything other than barley flowers.
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Shiala » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:17 pm

Seems legit.
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Karede » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:35 pm

Beehives always have been and always will be voodoo magic
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Re: What crops isn't effected nor effect beehives?

Postby Turtlesir » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:50 pm

the 50 cap makes me think some crops would be more beneficial to the hive than others. flax and poppies might produce more wax/honey than say pumpkins. i don't have the resources to test that though.
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