Do I need to keep my personal claim?

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Do I need to keep my personal claim?

Postby DoctorCookie » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:37 am

I have set up a one man village, with the possibility of inviting others. Is there any reason to keep the personal claim that is underneath the village claim? The footprint is smaller than the village claim.
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Re: Do I need to keep my personal claim?

Postby KaiserW » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:12 pm

If I understand it correctly, both your village and personal claim have their own shields.
When you're getting sieged, the attacking party has to wait for the shield to go down in order to do damage to your walls.
So I imagine having your claims on top of eachother gives you more shield, thus more time before they breach your base, assuming your personal claim reaches your outer walls like your village claim.
I'm not sure what happens if your personal claim only reaches your interior walls(assuming you have interior walls) for example. Do they have to wait for that shield to go down to break the interior wall?
What if the personal claim reaches beyond your interior walls, but doesn't reach the outer wall? Do they have to wait to enter the personal claim, or can they enter but have to wait for the shield to go down to break the interior wall?
Hopefully someone else can add to/correct what I said.
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Re: Do I need to keep my personal claim?

Postby DoctorCookie » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:12 pm

Thanks for that reply. I had not thought of the double shield aspect. My pclaim does cover my walls and far beyond because I had not originally planned on founding a village. I was really thinking about the prospect of inviting a player to join my village and if personal claim permissions would complicate that process. I think I understand a village visitor buff but am paranoid about messing around with pclaim permissions. Can I get a confirmation that claim shields stack?
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Re: Do I need to keep my personal claim?

Postby KaiserW » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:17 pm

No problem, but I was wrong I believe.
The wiki for Claim Shield (which I recommend you read, particularly the section on how the shield goes down. Which you might already know) says the following:
"Overlapping Claim Shields have a symmetrical relationship in that: If either is down, the other is also down. Thus: If the Village Shield is down, underlying Private Claim Shields are also down, and if the Private Claim Shield is down, then the Village Shield does not apply."
So I'm assuming that a Village Claim is better(obviously I guess), as it has a cap of 250,000 'Authority', which I think is the shield. vs Personal Claim of 60,000 'Presence', which I think is its shield.
Quote from Personal Claim Wiki: "Claims now require Presence to stay active, which works similarly to Authority on Village Claims."

I'm still not sure whether the shields stack. From the wording I feel like its NO, they do not stack. Don't quote me though. Hope someone can shed some light on this. I'll ask some in-game people, as I'm about to place a Village Idol myself, and I'd like to know as well. I'll get back to you.
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Re: Do I need to keep my personal claim?

Postby AntiBlitz » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:20 am

nah both have 60k, inspect the ground the next time you are standing about your claim and it will tell you how much shield you have. If you have both claims present, itll tell you the shield strength of both, which is the same. If ones attacked, the other will fall regardless. This was implemented to stop multi shield walls of villages.
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Re: Do I need to keep my personal claim?

Postby ricky » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:42 am

considering you're inviting other people, theres a few bonuses:
1) Seeing how your claim preceded the village claim, any future lawspeaker cannot revoke your older claim, so you're grandfathered in, so to speak
2) given the variety of permissions, you can set your villagers to X permissions on the village claim and have Y permissions on your claim, another safety measure
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Re: Do I need to keep my personal claim?

Postby magisticus » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:19 am

It is really useful if your one character develops multiple personalities and tangibly manifests them so they can go off and found new villages, because then they can't also be members of your original village but can be given permissions there through the P-claim that over-ride the protection of the V-claim.

Sorry the 'if' there is a bit unrealistic, this inevitably happens to everyone in Haven.
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