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What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on?

Postby Narque » Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:38 pm

Hello, I am new to haven and have recently just learned I should not be mashing any old food down my characters mouth XD
Just have a few questions I hope someone can answer, Thank you :)

What foods should I be eating?
What stats should I focus on?
What seeds should I priorities and collect for farming?

Side not I am playing solo and I understand I should be using alts and focus them into different areas so i have already made a mining one
since I suspect it will die very fast XD but just not sure how to focus level str. anyway thanks for any help :)
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby XSurfer » Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:35 am

Place for game guides is here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=51565

Depends on how you want to play. You can have alts or not. If you don't have the army of alts then try to level up all your stats as equally as you possibly can.

Int food because that increases the amount of LP you earn from studying curios.
Per food because that will unlock the number of forageables you can harvest.
Don't be so in a rush to buy all the skills. Might be better to put points in Exploration. Definitely put points in Survival, at least to 41 before you invest in other skills/stats
Do make a nettle gear set with taproot lacing gildings. Make new and better clothing as you progress.
Do make a dining table and chair with all the tableware that is available to you to craft. Pay attention to the hunger and FEP bonuses to the items.
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby Narque » Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:40 am

XSurfer wrote:
Do make a dining table and chair with all the tableware that is available to you to craft. Pay attention to the hunger and FEP bonuses to the items.


Why do I need the table and chairs? ty
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby kirillius98 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:42 am

Narque wrote:
XSurfer wrote:
Do make a dining table and chair with all the tableware that is available to you to craft. Pay attention to the hunger and FEP bonuses to the items.


Why do I need the table and chairs? ty


Hunger system will prevent your stats from growing - more you eat, less you get
Table and Chair have an option to reduce amount of hunger you recieve but only if you eat using "Feast!" button on the table. It can be used only while you are sitting on the chair.
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby ItsFunToLose » Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:55 am

Narque wrote:Hello, I am new to haven and have recently just learned I should not be mashing any old food down my characters mouth XD
Just have a few questions I hope someone can answer, Thank you :)

What foods should I be eating?
What stats should I focus on?
What seeds should I priorities and collect for farming?

Side not I am playing solo and I understand I should be using alts and focus them into different areas so i have already made a mining one
since I suspect it will die very fast XD but just not sure how to focus level str. anyway thanks for any help :)


I am not an expert. I do not have any actual end game high level village knowledge, just a dumb spruce hermit. I hope someone who does will chime in with a better answer.

It's not so much what you should be eating, it's how you should be eating. The way I see the hunger system:

There are several multiplicative factors that when combined allow coordinated groups of veteran players to gain FEP +stats significantly more efficiently. They will often have access to higher quality ingredients and tools much sooner, or ever.

-Hunger Bar: The more food you eat, the lower the multiplier will become. The highest this multiplier can be is 300%
Thus, FEP/hunger becomes a noteworthy statistic. The more FEP you can gain per unit of hunger, the longer you can retain your hunger bar multiplier, some players manage to keep this as close to 300% as possible for the full 3.0x multiplier.

-Quality: is exponential and 10-40-90-160-250 represent 1x-2x-3x-4x-5x the statistics of most objects in the game. The higher the quality of the source materials going into your foods, and the higher the quality of the tools used to cook and prepare(ovens, cauldron, etc), the more FEP each unit of food will have. And this also means you will be eating less. So not only does higher quality food give you more FEP, but it naturally synergizes with the previous point of preserving our hunger bar 3.0x multiplier, which gives up more FEP.

-Pepper: Sprinkling pepper on food gives more FEP.
-Fairy mushrooms: using as ingredient massively boosts FEP
-Driftkelp: ^

-Satiations: Eating the same food becomes less effective. If it gave 10FEP at 0% satiation, it will give less than 10FEP the more times you continue to consume the same food. Satiation slowly degenerates over time. Variety is the spice of life, you get bonuses for eating different foods. You will naturally satiate across many food types and they will decay at the same rate, so the more variety, the lower you can keep your satiations, and you are receiving a multiplicative boost to your FEP as a result. This also compounds with the next concept.

-Variety bonus: Each unique piece of food consumed during a single FEP bar +stat cycle will reduce the total FEP points required to gain a +stat. If your highest stat is 100str, you will need 100FEP. But if the first unit of food gave 20FEP, you will notice that as you consume new unique food types, this 100FEP requirement will drop according to some formula you can find in the wiki. So you can often drastically reduce the amount of food you need to eat per FEP point gained this way, which also combines multiplicatively with everything else above. Every one of these elements contributes to the FEP per unit of hunger. And the more efficient we can be, the longer we can preserve the full 3.0x multiplier from the hunger bar, or at the very least, keep it higher than we were averaging previously.

-Alcohol: Many different alcoholic beverages provide satiation reduction, which again, multiplicatively affects how much food you can consume. Higher quality alcohols again allows a village's higher quality ingredients to affect the multiplier we receive from each unit of food. Each drink of alcohol will buff 1 unit of food. You can consult the wiki to learn which alcoholic beverage buffs which food type.

Bonfire: Lots of people eat, and charisma helps. FEP bonus.

and finally:

-Symbel & Tableware: Always always always eat at a table. This is again, a huge multiplicative bonus that higher skilled more advanced coordinated groups of players can leverage to achieve significant gains over the average player in terms of their food consumption efficiency. You can fill your table with 9 Symbel items that will either reduce how much hunger each unit of food increases your Hunger Bar by and/or directly increase the FEP of each unit of food. "Hunger Reduction" and "Food Event Bonus" will be the tooltip displayed when you hover over a Symbel item. I don't know the exact math nor have I experienced what the highest level tables in the game look like, but compared to what the average sprucecap is packing, this represents a huge multiplier difference between the high level end game pro experience and what your average sprucecap solo hermit can ever achieve. You can trade for Symbel sets and they will usually be advertised by their "Hunger Reduction" and "FEP bonus" total effect when all 9+tablecloth are combined.

Each area of the hunger system snowballs into itself as you achieve higher and higher quality inputs to each system involved. I'd estimate that all things told, there is, at minimum, a full order of magnitude of difference between the pro and the average hermit with reasonable amounts of experience with the game, and another full order of magnitude for a true sprucecap first time player.

If I missed anything, I hope someone more experienced can offer some insight into what true end game eating looks like.

EDIT:

I'll add one last thing:
Knowledge: Knowing which recipes to cook and consume gives you access to more FEP per ingredient.
https://food.hearthlands.net/
this site lets you see a community sourced bank of knowledge for cooking. If you learn how to properly search the database, you can find recipes that will give the best results for the stat you are trying to raise and the ingredients you have available.
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby yym331 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:51 am

Fishing anyway
Folded Roasting Spit to roast a whole fish and eat it
If you are willing, catch all kinds of fish and eat between 10-30% of Food Satiations

Probably don't need to eat anything but fish
Unless you can hunt whales, orcas, or other powerful animals.

Very good FEP efficiency for the play time

https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Folded_Roasting_Spit
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby ItsFunToLose » Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:29 am

yym331 wrote:Fishing anyway
Folded Roasting Spit to roast a whole fish and eat it
If you are willing, catch all kinds of fish and eat between 10-30% of Food Satiations

Probably don't need to eat anything but fish
Unless you can hunt whales, orcas, or other powerful animals.

Very good FEP efficiency for the play time

https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Folded_Roasting_Spit


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30 FEP/hunger vs 800 FEP/hunger. Before factoring in any of the other multiplicatives, that's almost 30x more FEP per unit of hunger. Not to put you down in any way, just to demonstrate the potential magnitude of the disparity.
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby Sevenless » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:40 pm

The mistake with that is thinking hunger matters this world. It doesn't really, a very stark contrast from last world. Also comparing it to WWW is misleading, that's not a food this player will need at the stage where they care about roasted fish, and the FEPs are ridiculous overkill anyway.

Kinda like comparing fishing to MBC. Different needs for different stages of development. Assuming we're not just injecting a nab into an established village and erasing all stages of progress for them.
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby yym331 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:39 am

ItsFunToLose wrote:
yym331 wrote:Fishing anyway
Folded Roasting Spit to roast a whole fish and eat it
If you are willing, catch all kinds of fish and eat between 10-30% of Food Satiations

Probably don't need to eat anything but fish
Unless you can hunt whales, orcas, or other powerful animals.

Very good FEP efficiency for the play time

https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Folded_Roasting_Spit


Image

30 FEP/hunger vs 800 FEP/hunger. Before factoring in any of the other multiplicatives, that's almost 30x more FEP per unit of hunger. Not to put you down in any way, just to demonstrate the potential magnitude of the disparity.


Sorry, but don't let the FEP/hunger on the display fool you!
The total FEP of the image you posted is 84.88 and the hunger is 1.04%.
I have a hunger of 0.5% and a total FEP of 16.27
The actual difference is landing at a lower level.
At least not by a factor of 30 lol
In this case, your display will show 300.

And you are not going to let a beginner make Wonderful Wilderness Wurst are you?
That's pretty stupid.
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Re: What foods should I be eating and what should i focus on

Postby yym331 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:15 am

... Some players cannot do the calculations properly like this lol
Unless you can play the game 14~16 hours a day
If you want to teach a game guide to one normal player, just eat fish!
The rest is complicated and beginners will forget. It takes time.
Fishing gives consistent long term results once you know the spots.
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