Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby Clemence » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:03 am

Thanks guy for this, most intersting W9 thread so fare.
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:06 am

Apoc didn't disagree that Zox made some questional choices in regards to responding to various contacts. From what I gather, I think he is trying to figure out the whole situation and put it into a precise frame in a sense. The bitterness and circle jerking, I believe, is from the previous drama before this and perhaps the one before this as well where the quality of the posts was...not stellar.

And finally, I'm not sure how effective is it to enforce a conformation of behavior in this game is considering that the repercussion for ones action is not as severe as it is in real life thus people are more liberal in their actions than they normally would be. In a sense, the scent system may be an indirect element towards this but it can be used both ways for a perpetrator to take revenge on those that are forcing those standards; really the scent system is blind in regards to those sociological scenario.
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby ApocalypsePlease » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:06 am

burgingham wrote:However the killer should be aware of the consequences that come with it and that is just what happened here.

I have continued to acknowledge this. Why are people supposing that this is something I am actively disagreeing with?
claiming

I am not claiming anything, I am trying to speculate and get insight into his perspective. I would suppose I was trying to spark discussion that extends past just the events that happened.
accuse

Same as above
you go ahead and call them bitter.

I suppose that comment was fueled by reasons outside of this thread. I apologize for my misassessment. Your reply does make me sense some bitterness, but that would have been prompted by my words so you are not at fault.
We all had lots of fun doing this, it was exciting.

I'm glad you're enjoying yourself, this is a game after all :)
I can't help myself but to feel this is you talking as an Ainran member and not just gathering information.

I mused in the thought of adding an "inb4 defaming my character" with that note at the end of my last post, but figured anyone who tried to use that against me would be discredited. I added that remark for transperancy, but if you want to latch onto that to hate me then I can't stop you. I must admit I thought you were above this, please prove to me that this is true. Otherwise, well then I'm sad that you can only be jaded by my affiliations.
claiming ... money

I really wish you stopped using the world claiming. The only point I made on the subject of RMT is that I will not be ignorant to the motives one could have towards these actions.

Here's another thing for the record: I won't be around for long, my future has other options worth pursuing that will prevent me from continuing to play. Hafen sadly has not caught my eye the same way Legacy had done before, I feel the community is a lot less friendly than it used to be. Everyone is so tense towards eachother because of history. I can't claim to understand though, I was never around for any factional dispute before.
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:12 am

I'm not really tense myself and I actually have been enjoying myself on this thread compare to others as it is actually a good story going on here. Sad to see you go though, you were pretty fun to speak to.
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby burgingham » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:16 am

@Finn: I feel the exact opposite so far. Our own community is much more relaxed than it used to be, I myself am because I really cannot invest a lot of time and energy into the game anymore either, the guys we camped the ram with were all nice and there wasn't a bad word in 12 hours even though some of us have quite some (good and bad) history too. I am getting along with many of the Ainran guys too as well as people from othe rfactiions. I have seldomly talked so much to so many different people in previous game worlds just for the sake of talking and not to achieve some political agenda.

The community in the last worlds of legacy was absolutely toxic if you ask me which is why I stayed away from the forums back then. I mean when was the last time there was a discussion on the same level as in this thread?

@The Ainran affiliation I knew of before and that crossed my minds after your first comments. Has nothing to do with you revealing it now.

As mentioned in our skype chat right now I am surprised even obvious scenarios like this one cause so much discussion. If people feel the need to bring old grudges into this, doubt the stuff others are saying and whatnot then so be it. I revealed all of our side of the story without keeping any secrets which is not something I would have done in past worlds. If this is not enough then I guess I will just have to live with that.

Edit: Apologies if my last comment came off too harsh but it felt weird getting accused (or so I felt) of odd things in this pretty obvious scenario. Maybe I misinterpreted some of your words there. It is fine to ask for both sides of the story of course and I am curios to see what Zox has to say about us. I am not sure what strategies the other involved factions pulled on him, but I am pretty sure I revealed everything that happened on our side of the story. If there is a real need to I can also post the skype logs with him, I have them saved.
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby Powowclouds » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:21 am

jordancoles wrote:
Chebermech wrote:(warning: retarded logic)
http://pastebin.com/af03DrM7

Edit: Skimmed the wall of text and this is indeed Fake Colesie (weirdos)



I'm pretty sure we are all aware of that fact since there are several clues in the actual text leading to this assumption.. especially the one where Zox realizes that it's fake... and points out the creation date of the account. ¦]
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:24 am

We could all be reading the same story and labeling it on different genre due to the various perspective that each of us bring to the table. Lord of Shadows could label it as an epic tale, I could label it as a Haven and Hearth version of Game of Thrones, Zox could label it as a tragic drama. This could also apply to how we see the forum as well and the disagreement and different words on the same subject shows.
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby ApocalypsePlease » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:43 am

Well I'm glad the discussion has turned over this past page, before it felt mostly like I was defusing assumptions while noting my own errors. Really wish I didn't need to format into such a nit-picky style but if I didn't do that then parts could be more misinterpreted. To be quite honest Burg I feel there can tend to be a lack of communication about what matters on these forums, I hope everyone can aspire to higher quality threads.
As long as there are impartial observers who try to remain objective about topics, and then hold their ground perhaps the quality of more threads can improve :)

Patchouli_Knowledge wrote:Sad to see you go though, you were pretty fun to speak to.

I'm sad to part ways as well, there are a lot of friendly people in this community. This game has let me get through a slump in my life, but now it is for me to go on and pursue great things. In the words of Alex, my people need me.
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:47 am

ApocalypsePlease wrote:Here's another thing for the record: I won't be around for long, my future has other options worth pursuing that will prevent me from continuing to play. Hafen sadly has not caught my eye the same way Legacy had done before, I feel the community is a lot less friendly than it used to be. Everyone is so tense towards eachother because of history. I can't claim to understand though, I was never around for any factional dispute before.

lots of people keep coming back after they say theyre leaving for whatever the reasons they have/had. so i hope itll be the case for you too. i dont necessarily agree with what you have said here (and sorry, ive skipped some too) but i always respect those who bring up some counter-arguments no matter i agree or disagree. (otherwise, whats the point of forums other than making it circle-jerking.) i do see the change of air around too, whether it seeming friendly or unfriendly is very subjective, but whoever belong there are the ones who change it. we all are responsible for affecting the community as part of it, and once you leave it, you arent part of it. so, yeah, dont make that a reason for you to leave it cause it never sounds cool ;)
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Re: Lord of Shadows & The Fellowship of the Kilns

Postby ApocalypsePlease » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:13 am

Tonkyhonk wrote:lots of people keep coming back after they say theyre leaving for whatever the reasons they have/had. so i hope itll be the case for you too. i dont necessarily agree with what you have said here (and sorry, ive skipped some too) but i always respect those who bring up some counter-arguments no matter i agree or disagree. (otherwise, whats the point of forums other than making it circle-jerking.) i do see the change of air around too, whether it seeming friendly or unfriendly is very subjective, but whoever belong there are the ones who change it. we all are responsible for affecting the community as part of it, and once you leave it, you arent part of it. so, yeah, dont make that a reason for you to leave it cause it never sounds cool ;)

I've already returned to this community once, I don't rule out the chance that I'll do it again. Neither this time or that time was it related to anything about Haven, more about how it does/would fit into my life. All things have an opportunity cost, and I value my agency very highly: I'm too young to commit to preventing all the wonderful experiences I could be having, instead just opting for one concentrated unique experience. Now of course this doesn't mean I'll leave forever, nor should it. It just cannot be part of a day to day life for one as myself. I still have a lot of work to do on the wiki, I feel finally at a point where I have the game knowledge necessary to write the important pages. Hopefully that will happen :roll:
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