New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

[Teacwr]

RIP Jenny... Life is a cockblock =(

[Tonkyhonk]

the name Brodgar had always been a curse, or at least thats what i had in mind that makes people believe that it would never work out in a long run, apart from meeting new friends or trying to enjoy vicissitudes of the game nature.

however, i take it that you guys decided to accept the curse and decided to get over it instead of ignoring it, and you guys had enough will and manpower to actually start carrying that out without hiding. (although that does not mean i see your village as one of the same traditional Brodgars in the past.)

finally, let me applaud you for the decision and the actions trying to change the tide, no matter how others see it or interpret it, or whatever help you got from those you are allied with, or however things will go from now on. it probably wont be easy to continue and the long path has just begun, but i hope you guys can manage to last to achieve your whatever the plans youve got. let me also hope that something nice could actually happen publicly too in this game. it reminded me of the old beautiful poem, thank you. (although the blackbird distracted me to something else soon afterwards.)

tl;dr: rock on!

[kilakan]

Welp I tried:

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:39:02 PM] Robben DuMarsch: If you want to talk peace, and can give real assurances that such a peace shall be enforced, such as by severing your ties to Ainran and leaving, then that can be the basis for a discussion.
[6:39:29 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Not half-assed promises, not bullshit propaganda, I would need a legitimate assurance of peace.
[6:39:31 PM] kilakan: I never had any ties to ainran past 'we trade occasionally'
[6:39:36 PM] kilakan: and leave how?
[6:39:38 PM] Robben DuMarsch: I know for a fact that isn't true.
[6:39:46 PM] kilakan: You're wrong there sir.
[6:39:55 PM] kilakan: I have been nothing but truthful on the ainran front.
[6:40:15 PM] kilakan: multiple of them have even agreed and confirmed as much
[6:40:41 PM] kilakan: If you mean leave you alone, that would be assumed the second you stop alt spamming us.
[6:41:06 PM] Robben DuMarsch: multiple of them have even agreed and confirmed as muchAinran saying your story is true isn't exactly credible evidence.
[6:41:17 PM] kilakan: There's no one else who can say as much either way.
[6:45:06 PM] kilakan: here's a quote from skype when we first ran into each other
[6:45:13 PM] kilakan: Im pretty sure I first met you guys when you left the scent, and I tracked you south when you were hunting the russians xD  I went with kila and found aethinor and boobytits running around south of the mountains
[6:45:23 PM] kilakan: they left a scent on our village
[6:45:27 PM] kilakan: like I said they did awhile ago
[6:45:30 PM] kilakan: we tracked them down
[6:45:35 PM] kilakan: and then were like 'wait fuck I know you;'
[6:45:43 PM] kilakan: cause we try to talk to people before killing them.
[6:47:26 PM] Robben DuMarsch: I find it hard to believe that you guys might not be an alt city - But I'd be willing to entertain peace, as I said. However, you would need to propose some offer that would give me hard assurance that hostilities would cease permanently.
[6:49:23 PM] kilakan: I realize it's hard to believe, but it's true.  In previous worlds it'd be far less surprising since people spawned close together.
[6:49:36 PM] kilakan: For all of one world I was living in a hermitage right outside the central AD village.
[6:49:42 PM] kilakan: Didn't have anything to do with them then either.
[6:51:24 PM] kilakan: As for assurances, if you did allow us to set up a trade depot inside New Brodgar than we have many goods such as silver, copper, and steel to trade.  It would benefit us greatly to have an outlet for all our spare products.
[6:51:33 PM] kilakan: Not only would you have an obvious assurance of peace
[6:51:51 PM] kilakan: since we'd have a lot to lose (trade reputation forever and a main trading hub)
[6:52:06 PM] kilakan: than we would of course be oblidged to ensure the security of brodgar as a trading zone.
[6:53:21 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Not only would you have an obvious assurance of peaceLol no.
[6:53:32 PM] Robben DuMarsch: What would be the repercussion if you decided to renew hostilities?
[6:53:39 PM] kilakan: since we'd have a lot to lose (trade reputation forever and a main trading hub)
[6:53:51 PM] Robben DuMarsch: You guys talked shit, lied about us, used crappy alts to sock puppet.
[6:53:55 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Tried to infiltrate with spies.
[6:53:59 PM] kilakan: you talked shit just as much
[6:54:07 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Please, I talked shit, but I never lied.
[6:54:07 PM] kilakan: some of your men attempted to get into my village
[6:54:22 PM] kilakan: and you've been lieing about us killing spurce caps and being an ainran alt vilalge
[6:54:24 PM] kilakan: all along.
[6:54:32 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Nah, you guys do, and you are.
[6:54:34 PM] kilakan: You never showed any proof at all that we killed random people
[6:54:50 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Please, bud, you attacked Brodgar.
[6:54:51 PM] kilakan: You obviously have no intention of actually having peace.
[6:54:58 PM] kilakan: Two of my villagers, with ainran attacked you.
[6:55:02 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Give us the sole master key to your bwall and use only slave keys we produce, and we can have peace.
[6:55:03 PM] kilakan: Your fight is with ainran, not me.
[6:55:12 PM] kilakan: Your offer is insane and you know it.
[6:55:16 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Not at all.
[6:55:21 PM] kilakan: Since I couldn't trust you as far as I can throw you
[6:55:23 PM] kilakan: to not just raid me.
[6:55:32 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Hah, I have never once gone back on my word.
[6:55:35 PM] Robben DuMarsch: I would not raid you.
[6:55:42 PM] Robben DuMarsch: My reputation is my life.
[6:55:57 PM] kilakan: You're still nuts.
[6:56:01 PM] kilakan: And it's not happening like that
[6:56:11 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Okay.
[6:56:30 PM] kilakan: How about we just leave each other alone period then?
[6:56:39 PM] Robben DuMarsch: No.
[6:56:47 PM] Robben DuMarsch: You guys fucking attacked us.
[6:56:51 PM] Robben DuMarsch: You guys will attack us again in the future.
[6:56:53 PM] kilakan: When did we ever attack you?
[6:57:00 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Please, man
[6:57:08 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Your guys were just out this weekend trying to bait us.
[6:57:12 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Your self proclaimed raiders.
[6:57:12 PM] kilakan: No seriously, give me proof that my village attacked you.
[6:57:28 PM] kilakan: really, cause all i saw was some alts there.
[6:57:38 PM] Robben DuMarsch: This isn't how peace negotiations work. It isn't my job to show my war enemy intel to convince them they acted wrongly.
[6:57:40 PM] kilakan: Trying to show people that you have no qualms killing randoms who walk into brodgar.
[6:57:42 PM] Robben DuMarsch: Good luck, Kilakan.
[6:57:56 PM] kilakan: Whatever Robben, you are absolutely off your rocker.

[Archiplex]

Welp I tried:

Giving up master keys sounds more like total surrender + assimilation more than peace

I mean, I wouldn't give the mkeys to anyone but the founders of R'lyeh

Also worth posting because Jenny

[RedKGB]

So you don’t want help defending the noobs?
You think we are an alt village?

Yea, ok, so you still say you’re not competitive?

[MightySheep]

[6:56:30 PM] kilakan: How about we just leave each other alone period then?
[6:56:39 PM] Robben DuMarsch: No.

Asks for peace / claims to have no desire to be warlike -> refuses peace 2 seconds later.

So much for that "peace loving noob haven" facade.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

I am not going to unilaterally cease hostilities with no assurance that your side will do the same.
I would for a group with some honor or reputation, but you guys have shown through the course of history that your word is worth nothing.

You made your bed, sleep in it.

[rye130]

Welp I tried

Holy shit that chat log is absolutely hilarious!

[ArvinJA]

R'lyeh never attacked Brodgar?
u wot m8

These last few days have been MR/R'lyeh embarrassing themselves by failing attempts at covert ops against NB. It's public for anyone to see. Again, kudos to Robben for even trying, you guys really aren't worth it. Enjoy getting zerged in the future!

[Archiplex]

I am not going to unilaterally cease hostilities with no assurance that your side will do the same.

It's probably worth thinking of an alternative, because handing over master keys is no different than just handing our village over to you.

There are no assurances in real life, nor in Hafen. Everything is a game of trust- the smartest act is probably something like, passing each other kins temporarily and stating neither side will attack (Given though, there's always the possibility some side won't give all kins- in which case that's what scents are for.)

But giving away master keys? That's just silly.