New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

[overtyped]

Thats not exactly right. If we gave a halfhearted peace, then what is to stop someone from breaking it? If we just let them have a peace because they are losing, that isnt a real peace, because they will just gather their strength and attack again.
You think too one dimensionally on this matter.

Peace was entered with full intent. At the point of offering peace, we had not lost anyone. You just wanted to war, be honest about it.

I cant speak for brodgar, when you say *you*
I personally dont like having to send alts through crs incase of someone camping it, so i am against the war.

[molenga]

I have no issue with people raiding, wars, being raided. But don't claim to be a "peaceful nation defending newbs" when in fact you are truly a bully.
Bully: use of superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants. (demanding the clay for peace)

Thats not exactly right. If we gave a halfhearted peace, then what is to stop someone from breaking it? You think too one dimensionally on this matter.

If we gave you the master keys, whats to stop you from just raiding the village and killing everyone?

You seem to believe that both your word and Robbens word is like some perfect spotless diamond that can be used as a coin of unquestionable value.

This is far from reality, and any person with half a brain and un unbiased attitude can see that.

Robben never wanted peace, he said he did, but when he got offered it he just made a single unreasonable confition, and was not willing to negotiate on any other peace terms whatsoever, we all seen the conversation he had with our LS.

Your words are worth nothing, therefore you were also offering us nothing in exchange for nothing less than our masterkeys.

[overtyped]

I have no issue with people raiding, wars, being raided. But don't claim to be a "peaceful nation defending newbs" when in fact you are truly a bully.
Bully: use of superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants. (demanding the clay for peace)

Thats not exactly right. If we gave a halfhearted peace, then what is to stop someone from breaking it? You think too one dimensionally on this matter.

If we gave you the master keys, whats to stop you from just raiding the village and killing everyone?

You seem to believe that both your word and Robbens word is like some perfect spotless diamond that can be used as a coin of unquestionable value.

This is far from reality, and any person with half a brain and un unbiased attitude can see that.

Robben never wanted peace, he said he did, but when he got offered it he just made a single unreasonable confition, and was not willing to negotiate on any other peace terms whatsoever, we all seen the conversation he had with our LS.

Your words are worth nothing, therefore you were also offering us nothing in exchange for nothing less than our masterkeys.

Im pretty sure brodgar in all worlds has been proven to never start wars, or attack unprovoked. Brodgars word means something.

[RedKGB]

I cant speak for brodgar, when you say *you*
I personally dont like having to send alts through crs incase of someone camping it, so i am against the war.

Your actions do show you speak for Brodgar. Under your own logic, since you are allies, they are to be held accountable for what you do.

If you were really against the war, then why use this as training like you said? If you were really against the war then why use an alt to get in to our now dead village?

[overtyped]

I cant speak for brodgar, when you say *you*
I personally dont like having to send alts through crs incase of someone camping it, so i am against the war.

Your actions do show you speak for Brodgar. Under your own logic, since you are allies, they are to be held accountable for what you do.

If you were really against the war, then why use this as training like you said? If you were really against the war then why use an alt to get in to our now dead village?

I said its good training as my opinion, but I do think it is. Weak raiders like you, are like an immunization against real threats later on. Just like a flu shot.

[higherark]

I would like to say that, looking past all this dramatic bullshit, we do not harbor ill-will towards ryleh. As is usually the case a few overly-dramatic and bitter individuals paint their faction as terribly pathetic and incompetent. People like archiplex are, unfortunately, swept into the conflict due to politics. If we had it our way we would simply focus on eradicating the individuals perpetuating this conflict, but war is never that simple or easy.

We did not start this conflict but I think most of us at NB would like to see it end. While it felt good personally to loot ryleh (to the point where I knocked myself out twice) and get revenge against those who raided us and shitposted on the forums, I do not feel good seeing archiplex losing 50$ worth of pages. Nor do I feel any satisfaction at making many of their players likely to quit. Furthermore, even though Mightysheep has been conducting himself in a manner that would make his own mother ashamed of him, I understand his frustration at not being able to die a satisfying death.

Due to a combation of poor siege mechanics, a lack of satisfying battles, forum alting/shitposting, a lack of communication and, above all, a lack of trust this war has, in my opinion, gone on for far too long. I do not believe in the sincerity of a white peace since we were attacked completely unprovoked (unless you consider posting a proposal on the forums to be an act of war) but since the actual intent of this war, which we all know was to provide pvp content, has not been fufilled I think it is time that ainran get off their golden dick throne and decide to actually negotiate for once.

Perhaps it is time to build up the level of trust and communication to a more acceptable level. I cannot speak for my faction, but I think that the potential for a realistic peace deal exists. How it comes about I cannot say, but ainran aren't exactly in a term-setting position.

[Teacwr]

every Russian kills bears topless due to Putin being able to do it......

but... That's true!
source: I'm a topless Russian

[Onep]

But when you align yourself with others, people begin to take the words of your friends as if they were your own sentiments.

That is like saying that every Russian kills bears topless due to Putin being able to do it......

It is easier for you to lump everyone togather, then to see them as people. I get it, makes it easier for you.

So, you're the kind of person who thinks it is unreasonable to make character assessments about people based on their actions and associations? Sorry, next time I'll read their autobiography first.

[molenga]

Im pretty sure brodgar in all worlds has been proven to never start wars, or attack unprovoked. Brodgars word means something.[/quote]
Except that brodgar in this world, despite having the name "Brodgar", is not Brodgar at all, but rather a competitive faction that is playing as just that: A competitive faction with zerg capabilities that is all too inclined on waging war, raiding, griefing and utterly destroying those who do not bend over to Robbens will and join their "coalition".

Once again, it doesn´t matter anymore, ry´leh is gone, there is nothing left for me in this dead husk of a village, time to move on and find a place to set up a hermitage or something.

[RedKGB]

Im pretty sure brodgar in all worlds has been proven to never start wars, or attack unprovoked. Brodgars word means something.

Thats the point, Brodgar own people are saying they are not like Brodgar from other worlds. That means any value of word they had is now gone with this world.