New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

[overtyped]

This isn't about any morale high ground but essentially a game of nuclear verbal tennis. (Inb4 Civilization series India)

We are all just pawns in jorbs sick and twisted game

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

It's not a chess game but more of a petri dish. (chess implying that you have a side)

[overtyped]

It's not a chess game but more of a petri dish. (chess implying that you have a side)

Jorb is in the petri dish too, he just happens to be the biggest cell of them all.

[Redempter]

Ok, I didn't have the courage to read all of the new thread's page but I read some and I'm gonna try to simply describe my view of what happened from the start of all this gigantic mess, then again I'm from New Brodgar and my view might be biaised, you guys make your own mind about it.

First there was Bob Dole. Bob Dole was an infamous raider and noob killer and he eventually decided to attack New Brodgar for the kick of it. New Brodgar didn't have much of a militia yet, we were barely starting to put ourselves together so when Bob Dole attacked we werent ready for it. His attack was kind of eye opening and we really started our militia. We then organised enough to track him down and kill him, that was the first great victory of New Brodgar because no one else managed to kill Bob Dole, in the eyes of some factions it meant that New Brodgar was "competitive" whatever that mean.

One of those factions was Ainran, a band of organised raiders that doesn't care to prey on noobs and weak (correct me if I'm wrong). They decided to make one raid on New Brodgar for the kick of it, it was confirmed by one of the member from Ainran that 2 of their R'lyeh allies was with them in this raid but at the time it was an unknown information (I think it was JordanColes, I can't remember, I would need to go dig in the Moot to find the post). New Brodgar being more organised since Bob Dole's attack, they decided they had to defend themselves from Ainran or else be back to the stage of being a defenseless noob haven thus opening the door to other raiding faction preying on the weak. An alliance with other factions who were raided by Ainran was made.

Then there was the first big zerg attack that was made on Ainran's village, nobody managed to kill anyone that day but it showed Ainran that New Brodgar was indeed intent on defending himself. That night New Brodgar found some crossroad that leaded straight to R'lyeh, thus being the first suspicions that R'lyeh was allied or even (maybe) an alt village.

New Brodgar decide to make a small operation to try and kill someone from R'lyeh by putting a blockade on one of their crossroad, the operation fail and New Brodgar retreat before Ainran allies can be called, this is what truly sparked R'lyeh into officially entering the war (I think). Thinking that they were being attacked first but actually this operation was made because New Brodgar was pretty much certain at this point that R'lyeh was allied with Ainran.

Then continue the ongoing raids attempt from both side, sometimes even trying to infiltrate the opposing camps, sometimes trying to make some propaganda on the forum with alt accounts, each side doing their best to dwindle the ennemies forces, either by killing or preventing further recruitment.

That ultimately leads us to what happened yesterday, where R'lyeh was ramsacked. Lots of hate and anger from both side drove us to this point. Could this all have been prevented at the start if people would've tried diplomacy first? Maybe but the fact remain that New Brodgar did not attack unprovoked or to loot anyone, we did what we did to defends ourselves and to make a point.

New Brodgar is not the defenseless noob haven it once was. We will kill and die to protect our ideals and that is to provide a safe place to anyone that desire it.

* the opinion and view from this post entitle only the creator and might not be 100% accurate, some of those events happened quite a long time ago and I might have lost some bits here and there, again I'm sorry for anyone in R'lyeh that lost anything in this war, I am not personally a war person, I'd rather farm my silk and trees in peace but I am ready to arm myself if need be.

[RedKGB]

New Brodgar is not the defenseless noob haven it once was. We will kill and die to protect our ideals and that is to provide a safe place to anyone that desire it.

Yet when peace is offered, your leader refuses it. Not everyone in this peaceful place are what they seem.

[dageir]

For an outsider it looks like the ideals of Brodgar has been left, an a new raider faction has arisen.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche

[Redempter]

New Brodgar is not the defenseless noob haven it once was. We will kill and die to protect our ideals and that is to provide a safe place to anyone that desire it.

Yet when peace is offered, your leader refuses it. Not everyone in this peaceful place are what they seem.

You gotta see this from our point of view, if this so called peace was accepted, what prevented R'lyeh to just gather their forces and later attack NB with palibashers? The way NB is made, we don't have some huge bwalls protecting everyone, we have to protect ourselves by other means and that is by being sure no one attack us. Robben's negotiation might have been harsh but that was the only way to ensure that R'lyeh would not attack us again. Believe me when I say that I hate that we came all the way to this but this was in my eye the only way to be sure we were safe from you guys.

Next time maybe try to get better allies then noob raiding ones.

[Redempter]

For an outsider it looks like the ideals of Brodgar has been left, an a new raider faction has arisen.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche

Well you can think whatever you wish, I was as truthful as one can be in my post, I am not a deceiving person in nature.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

@Redempter

I have a question. Based on the IRC log of the attempted peace talk, a demand of the master key(?) was made by Brodgar. Do you feel this as a reasonable reparation or not? I am asking this because this has been one of the controversial factor in the breakdown in negotiation.

[Tonkyhonk]

That night New Brodgar found some crossroad that leaded straight to R'lyeh, thus being the first suspicions that R'lyeh was allied or even (maybe) an alt village.

im still at a loss of your definition of this "alt village", but im suspecting what you mean is more like a "satellite" village, if my english is correct.
btw, thank you for the summary! i would also appreciate if i could hear the R'lyeh/Ainran version of it too, if they still care.

@Redempter

I have a question. Based on the IRC log of the attempted peace talk, a demand of the master key(?) was made by Brodgar. Do you feel this as a reasonable reparation or not? I am asking this because this has been one of the controversial factor in the breakdown in negotiation.

i think this part is one of the few things i can agree with what goo said somewhere. R'lyeh was still allied with Ainran and iirc kilakan didnt make that part clear enough for a decent truce from their chat log.