New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby Redempter » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:33 pm

Patchouli_Knowledge wrote:@Redempter

I have a question. Based on the IRC log of the attempted peace talk, a demand of the master key(?) was made by Brodgar. Do you feel this as a reasonable reparation or not? I am asking this because this has been one of the controversial factor in the breakdown in negotiation.


I wasn't the one negociating so I cannot say if this was reasonable demand or not but I understand the motive behind such a huge demand. The thing was, New Brodgar wanted to be safe and the only way to be safe from R'lyeh was to have something that we could use against them in case of future attack.

I know R'lyeh had no way to trust New Brodgar but New Brodgar had no reason to trust R'lyeh as well, in our eyes they were an ally of Ainran, one of the worst factions in the Hearthland, what were we to do? Trust them and wait for our ultimate demise?
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:35 pm

I see. Thank you for answering my question from your perspective.
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby dageir » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:42 pm

Redempter wrote:
Patchouli_Knowledge wrote:@Redempter

I have a question. Based on the IRC log of the attempted peace talk, a demand of the master key(?) was made by Brodgar. Do you feel this as a reasonable reparation or not? I am asking this because this has been one of the controversial factor in the breakdown in negotiation.


I wasn't the one negociating so I cannot say if this was reasonable demand or not but I understand the motive behind such a huge demand. The thing was, New Brodgar wanted to be safe and the only way to be safe from R'lyeh was to have something that we could use against them in case of future attack.

I know R'lyeh had no way to trust New Brodgar but New Brodgar had no reason to trust R'lyeh as well, in our eyes they were an ally of Ainran, one of the worst factions in the Hearthland, what were we to do? Trust them and wait for our ultimate demise?


Are you safe now?
If you succeeded and brought them down, and their allies yield, yes you have some breathing space. If you are now the biggest and strongest faction,
(you are without a doubt the faction with most "media cover") and have alienated a veteran faction and also attracting attention from others, your days as a village/faction is soon numbered if your group is not big enough or active enough
to outmatch any other group or a combination of groups 24/7.
What is your future recruitment strategy anyways?
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby Tonkyhonk » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:42 pm

Redempter wrote:The thing was, New Brodgar wanted to be safe and the only way to be safe from R'lyeh was to have something that we could use against them in case of future attack.

i hope that wasnt the true intention.
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby overtyped » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:45 pm

dageir wrote:For an outsider it looks like the ideals of Brodgar has been left, an a new raider faction has arisen.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

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If broder is a raider faction, please list one example of an unprovoked attack.
This should be easy enough??
Early world exploit: Put your hearthfire inside a cave, then hold shift to position a claim right in front of a cave. After 8 hours the claim will be unbreakable. Since your hearthfire is inside the cave, you can still get back inside, and leave, but nobody will be able to enter, effectively making you unraidable for the first 3-7 days. Enjoy
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby RedKGB » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:45 pm

I am glad to see what NB is as I was saying they were over a month ago.

At least others are now more informed.
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby overtyped » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:46 pm

RedKGB wrote:I am glad to see what NB is as I was saying they were over a month ago.

At least others are now more informed.

If brodger is a raider faction, please list one example of an unprovoked attack.
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby dageir » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:48 pm

overtyped wrote:
dageir wrote:For an outsider it looks like the ideals of Brodgar has been left, an a new raider faction has arisen.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche

If broder is a raider faction, please list one example of an unprovoked attack.
This should be easy enough??


I do not like to go ad hominem here, but the fact that you are associated with, or in New Brodgar, confirms that you most likely
are a raider group. No offence intended.
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby RedKGB » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:49 pm

overtyped wrote:If broder is a raider faction, please list one example of an unprovoked attack.
This should be easy enough??


The idea that this is the only way to prove being a raider or not is cute.
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Re: New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

Postby overtyped » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:50 pm

RedKGB wrote:
overtyped wrote:If broder is a raider faction, please list one example of an unprovoked attack.
This should be easy enough??


The idea that this is the only way to prove being a raider or not is cute.

Really...? Brodgar will never attack unless attacked first and you call us raiders?
If self defense is your definition of raider, then everyone is a raider, even the farmers, because they could presumably be attacked and try to run ( running is also an act of raiding)
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