New Brodgar - War of Newb Defense

[RedKGB]

Might as well just rename this thread to overtyped vs redkgb.

And RedKGB held the field at the end of it.

[ramones]

To be honest, my faction members had some disputes with New Brodgar over land ownership (NB suffered casualties). We also have caused them quite a big damage early in the world, by raiding their plots as well. Despite all of this Robben has proven himself to always be willing to communicate and resolve everything peacefully. So you are so completely wrong saying that they are a complete warmongers.

Could it be that he knows your numbers and had fears for future of his town?

[LadyGoo]

Would you give up your keys to your village to him?

I keep saying it over and over, as an experienced raider and a faction leader: the peace offered by R'lyeh meant nothing, as far as they were allied to Ainran. You could place your warriors in a plot within Ainran's village and raid NB, while R'lyeh would have no scents leading inside it. Robben had no reasons to believe to R'lyeh, after their attempts to:
1. Create alt accounts and spreading rumours about NB killing everyone (lying)
2. Attempts to infiltrate into New Brodgar's village (lying)

Could it be that he knows your numbers and had fears for future of his town?

Well, maybe it has affected their decisions as well. But at some point of negotiation they have shown they were ready to fight back.

[RedKGB]

Deflecting

So, I take that as a no, that you would not give up your keys to NB to have peace. Thank you for coming out and being honest in your answer.

[Archiplex]

Is it time for my big post? I think it is.

I am the 'founder' of R'lyeh, in a way. I consider it more of a co-founder ordeal, but I am the one who settled in that spot first, and the person who invited Lucky and Kila, where then we branched further and further and became a decently sized village.

It first started with myself alone, I traveled away for hours, found a nice looking spot and settled on what I thought was a heath (It wasn't!). I started the Hermitarium, and invited two of my friends. Zeggyzon, who helped me a lot the last world and provided me with a place to stay, very close to him. He was a hermit, and so was I. Lawton, who is my friend from non-haven stuff for nearly 4 years now.

My idea for the place was to be a source of knowledge for the world, find out how things work first and foremost (Combat for example, archery.) and provide that information to Everyone so the world was an even field, no group would have an advantage over another due to some mechanic they didn't understand. I talked a lot on IRC around this time, and through there I met Lucky, who asked to join. I confirmed with the others and showed him the way to my place. Lucky is a seriously intensive person, works hard- even if he has a bit of a temper and a strange lust for blood. Then I met Kila, through my Hermitarium skype chat. He wanted to set up a bit of a trade network with us and his own group, and he was rather nearby, so why not?

Unfortunately, day of the bat update, Kila logged in and was murdered by bats rather quickly. I offered him and his group a place to stay - their entire old base was uninhabitable since it was completely underground. And they joined. Initially, the plan was to have a bunch of different villages close together, but we all got along pretty well and worked pretty hard and fast to get the place started very quickly. I was talking to them a bit of what I wanted the group to become, I didn't want to be raiders or mean - I'd learned too much from w7 that I did not want to be the type of person that I hated. If I was to be combat oriented, I wanted to be a hero, a ranger. I wanted to be the person who visits helpless villages and tracks down their raiders and ends them, or teach them a proper lesson. But I became less and less active due to school. We found the village, after a bunch of discussion of what to name/theme it (I wanted us to be themed after Valkyries because I absolutely fell in love with the winged helmet) we decided to go for R'lyeh and be cthulu themed.

Then, we started exploring a little more, figuring out nodes around us after the palisade was up, and to my surprise there was a big, BIG village north of us. I didn't know who they were, I talked with Kila and Lucky (Who, by the way, wanted to raid them on the spot. I thought that was pretty funny) and kinned a few of them to set up contact. We visited again the next day, making up a little tale about being roaming traders ("We totally got these steel swords by trading bear hides!"), and soon we discovered it was Ainran, and Kila realized this- and set up skype contacts because he was good friends with Naowhut.

Eventually, they set up a road to trade easily and junk (I honestly have used that road at most once or twice). I became less active, and finally gave up my status as lawspeaker to Kila. I was sad, because I wanted to lead the village in my own image- but I knew it wasn't my role, and I couldn't live up to the task.

Kila and Lucky often went out with Ainran to raid people, I don't know who they raided- but I do know that they remarked about killing newbies. I don't think Kila did it with bad intent, but I can't speak for him (I just know he usually expressed regret over killing developing hermits, as well as some others in town who killed one or two.). I do know Lucky enjoyed the heck out of killing anyone and everyone he saw though. I just sat, I sort of expressed my disapproval, but not in a way that didn't seem jokingly ("Kiiilaaaaa, you can't go around killing newbies! That's bad!")

Then the war happened, I'm not too sure how we got sucked into it honestly, perhaps just by association to Ainran. Nobody cared too much about it until Robben started to call us an alt city- I tried to correct him but it seems he didn't wish to listen. Eventually, the entire group got *very* fed up with Robben constantly smack-talking, insulting people and just generally being rude, and that's why I think R'lyeh got actually invested into the war. Though I question the purpose of going around and just killing loose foragers, but I suppose any brodgarian was a fair kill to them. I again, have never participated in a raid due to paranoia over my own character, and just generally feeling bad if I ever kill someone who has not directly wronged me or my village. (I actually never bought rage until like, 3 weeks ago. heh)

Signpost traps and mayhem later, I started to leave the village less to forage, and just stayed indoors as a chef. I was too nervous of accidently getting ganked by a bunch of people - the only time I ever left were the timezones I knew brodgar wasn't active for. It wasn't all too fun, so I got a little more concerned about the war. When Jupsto's forager character died, I got a little ticked. At that point, I decided I'd finally make a character to fight with, and created Azura. I never liked melee combat, and my dream was always to be a ranger- so I did just that. I wanted to be the first archer-focused character to show up in a fight (Trust me, archers are D E A D L Y.) I wanted to surprise Brodgar with a huge hit since I was fairly upset that the forager died. So I made my account around then, and was going to take her around when she hit decent stats.

I did a damage test with a villager's worker alt (Asked them, of course) to see the type of wounds and HP damage bows dealt (Deep cut and almost entirely SHP, by the way.), which is why I was outlawed for Battery. Sofia was joining us, and I misheard Kila telling me to only let her into the farming section, and provided her with keys to the main gates, Kila noticed but said it was fine anyways, due to it being Cole's recommendation (Nothing against you, Colesies.). She seemed really nice, though she never did join our TS server. I didn't suspect anything.

The day before the raid, I had a pretty terrible gut feeling about something bad- couldn't figure out what. I just attributed it to my normal paranoia, and went along with my day. Apparently, Kila had a nightmare the day before about a new villager we let in, letting all of brodgar through our gates. Pretty funny, huh?

The day of the raid, I was out hunting with Azura, I saw a white on my map and auto-hearthed, logged into Azubel to close gates when Sheep spammed skype saying he was dead/R'lyeh was down and such. I was confused, hearthed back and got on TS- and on Azura.

I probably could have ran outside the town and saved myself and my pages, but honestly I panic easily and didn't think of it. Stayed in my room, aimed and was ready to die. Funny enough I left autohearth on and one guy managed to escape me shooting him due to hearthing interrupting my aim. I probably would have killed him had that not happened.

In the end, I don't regret staying with R'lyeh- but I am gone now, to forge a new story with new people. If anything, I regret not taking a firmer hold of the village and placing myself as a leader, rather than being so wishy-washy about whether Kila or I should lead it.

Fair game, and may we all learn to forgive each of our sins.

EDIT: I missed the gunk about making alts and pretending to be newbies - I never voiced my opposition towards this, but I was greatly against that happened. I was asked to join them doing this as well but rejected. I do not like the tactics of defaming other people, nor spy alts. But, anything's fair in this world.

So, questions?

[LadyGoo]

Deflecting and ignoring arguments (several times now) that R'lyeh peace offer meant nothing, since they were still allied to Ainran and could place their raiders inside of one of Ainran's plots to continue killing NB folk.

[RedKGB]

Deflecting and ignoring my points that R'lyeh peace offer meant nothing, since they were still allied to Ainran and could place their raiders inside of one of Ainran's plots to continue killing NB folk.

You did not answer the question, is was an easy one, yes or no.

You only looked at it from one possible future. The peace offer was legit. NB and Bob Dole did not want peace.

So can you answer the question, or you going to run around it again?

[Archiplex]

Deflecting and ignoring my points that R'lyeh peace offer meant nothing, since they were still allied to Ainran and could place their raiders inside of one of Ainran's plots to continue killing NB folk.

You did not answer the question, is was an easy one, yes or no.

You only looked at it from one possible future. The peace offer was legit. NB and Bob Dole did not want peace.

So can you answer the question, or you going to run around it again?

As much as I love you KGB, I don't think either party handled the peace treaty discussion well at all.

Calling brodgar a raiding faction is questionable (from what I know). I wouldn't bet that their allies will stay allies for long though. Everyone gets bored, and when you get bored in this world, your allies become enemies to amuse you.

[RedKGB]

As much as I love you KGB

Best day in the forums, ever.

[LadyGoo]

You did not answer the question, is was an easy one, yes or no.

I guess I have to repeat it. There was no reason for Robben to trust you. Therefore to accept your peace offer he would need a solid reason to trust you. Asking for a master key is not the elegant solution, but I hope you can see the point I am trying to make.

And Robben has reasons to trust my faction. The major one: we have an actual interest in Ainran being demolished. I would personally avoid attacking anyone who is at war with them.